Plant Database forum: Narrowing down the species for plums

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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Feb 6, 2017 1:58 PM CST

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I want a parent plant for plums. The genus Prunus contains many trees other than plums, though, so I need to narrow down these species.

Prunus domestica is the main plum species.

I also see some plums in our database under two other species, such as:

Plum (Prunus domestica subsp. insititia 'Mirabelle de Nancy')
Plum (Prunus cerasifera Gypsy®)

And we have some cultivars that are simply listed with just the genus, like:

Plum (Prunus BlackIce®)

Are the insititia and cerasifera species valid? Should I make the parent plant cover all 3 of these species? And the ones that are on the genus level only, should we endeavor to find the right species for them and edit them?
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 6, 2017 3:47 PM CST

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P. cerasifera and P. domestica are accepted names, but P. insititia is now a synonym for P. domestica subsp. insititia. I'll edit the entries with that name.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Feb 6, 2017 3:59 PM CST

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Thank you zuzu Smiling

I setup The Plums Database and the parent plant contains all the matching species: Plums (Prunus umbellata)
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 6, 2017 4:01 PM CST

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Looks good. Do all plum trees have white blooms? No pinks?
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Feb 6, 2017 4:07 PM CST

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I removed white from the list. Thumbs up
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Feb 6, 2017 4:19 PM CST

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If we're looking for fruit trees I'd eliminate Prunus cerasifera, these are mostly ornamental trees.

Delete:
self fertile
Evan
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 6, 2017 4:26 PM CST

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But are we looking only for fruit trees? If I had a flowering plum that didn't bear fruit, I'd still want to look for it in the Plum Database.
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Feb 6, 2017 4:31 PM CST

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Yeah, I was thinking we'd want to cover both flowering and fruiting varieties. I'll delete self fertile.
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Feb 6, 2017 4:41 PM CST

Plants Admin

OK.
Evan
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Feb 6, 2017 9:09 PM CST

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Shouldn't the Prunus salicina (Japanese) cultivars be included?
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Feb 7, 2017 7:18 AM CST

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Thanks Kent, I've added them. Thumbs up
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Feb 7, 2017 9:19 AM CST

Plants Admin

Probably should also add these species:

Prunus salicina var. pubipes
Prunus salicina var. salicina
Prunus americana
Prunus angustifolia
Prunus eremophila
Prunus geniculata
Prunus gracilis
Prunus havardii
Prunus hortulana
Prunus maritima
Prunus mexicana
Prunus murrayana
Prunus nigra
Prunus rivularis
Prunus subcordata
Prunus umbellata

and any cultivars associated with them.

With the exception of the first two (which are Japanese Plum varieties), those are just the North American species of plums. I don't know the Old World Prunus species well enough to say which are plums, which are cherries, etc.
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Feb 7, 2017 9:26 AM CST

Plants Admin

Might also want to remove the checkboxes for Water Preferences: Mesic and Underground Structures: Taproot.
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Feb 7, 2017 10:02 AM CST

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Thank so Kent, I will do these! Thumbs up

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