Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Hardy plants for Texas zone 8

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Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
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chris1948
Feb 7, 2017 11:34 AM CST
I'll be setting up a raised bed for my wife soon using cinder blocks and she wants to put some kind of succulents in the holes in the block. I've already got quite a variety of succulents out in one of my greenhouses and quite a few small ones that I've started from leaves but most I have no idea what their names are or whether they'd survive our weather patterns that at times during the winter could be hot/cold/wet/dry all in a two week period. For instance it's supposed to be 86 today and although it's not supposed to happen a cold front could come through and drop the temp by 50 degrees tomorrow. I'm posting some photos of some of what I have hoping maybe some of you experts can give me a hand with this.

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Chris
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Feb 8, 2017 6:44 PM CST

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Nice plants Chris.
My first question is what are your winter temperatures like? The lows?
Your above photos are wonderful and show that what you have are 'tender succulents'. These will not survive outdoors during cold winters. A combination of cold and wet will do them in.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 8, 2017 7:25 PM CST
We have a lot of variance Lynn, here are some of our averages

Rainfall (in.) 33.2
Snowfall (in.) 0
Precipitation Days 51
Sunny Days 228
Avg. July High 95.6
Avg. Jan. Low 33.4

Of course those are averages. For instance, yesterday it was 86 and 66 list night. It was 84 today and will be 39 tonight with a wind chill of 32 so there's a lot of variance and quick changes. We could have lows in the 20's for a few days in Dec sometimes it's always a big guessing game here as to when to put plants away for the winter and again when to take them out of the greenhouses for the spring.
Hope this helps.



Chris
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Feb 8, 2017 7:42 PM CST

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You could sink the smaller pots into the holes of the cinder block. That way it would be easier to take them up for winter protection. The plants are beautiful.
There are many hardy succulents that could stay out year round.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 8, 2017 7:50 PM CST
Thanks Lynn, you know I've found a lot of really nice Sempervivum for sale with some beautiful colors. I'll let my wife decide what she wants to go with. I've also got some Epis and 3 pots full of Selenicereus in that greenhouse along with various other large succulents.
Chris
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Feb 8, 2017 8:38 PM CST

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And don't forget the hundreds of wonderful sedum, some upright but short, some short and mounding, and others that will trail over the sides of the blocks.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 8, 2017 8:46 PM CST
Thanks Lynn, I'll give her some names to check on her tablet and she can tell me what she wants to order. You've been very helpful Lynn, appreciate it.
Chris
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Feb 8, 2017 9:09 PM CST

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I so glad I could be of some help. I really didn't do much. But you sure have grown some very nice succulents. Lovey dubby
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 8, 2017 9:19 PM CST
Any help is always appreciated. I have 42 Phal orchids, 36 baby Adeniums 10 baby Plumeria, a bunch of seedlings and a few other plants overwintering in my other greenhouse.
Chris
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Feb 8, 2017 9:38 PM CST

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You have a greenhouse full. It must keep you busy.
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 9, 2017 8:41 AM CST
Actually I have two greenhouses and yes, it does, especially in the winter when I need to keep everything watered, seeds need to be misted and so on. As I was saying about our weather, it was 66 Tues night and in the 30s last night. Never consistent in the winter.
Chris
Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Cactus and Succulents Greenhouse Sempervivums Bromeliad
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plantmanager
Feb 9, 2017 9:10 AM CST
I'm envious, Chris! 2 greenhouses! Sounds like heaven.

I have a book on hardy succulents that is fantastic. Maybe you can take a look at your library.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/158017700X/
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Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Feb 9, 2017 9:15 AM CST
Thanks Karen, I just had Amazon send a sample to my Fire tablet. I may just go ahead and buy it. I looked for Succulent books when we were at a big Good Will store yesterday but didn't find any just a Neal Sperry's gardening book for $3.99.
Chris
Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Cactus and Succulents Greenhouse Sempervivums Bromeliad
Adeniums Garden Ideas: Level 1 Tropicals Xeriscape Garden Art Plumerias
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plantmanager
Feb 9, 2017 9:37 AM CST
I have a lot of gardening books, and that one is one I return to a lot. The photos are just gorgeous. Lots of rocks with semps spilling out around them. They use a lot of sedums too. I drool over the pics, and am just now going to try making some semp areas in my yards. In AZ they will have to be shaded, and in NM they will probably love mostly sun.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Feb 9, 2017 10:36 AM CST

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And here is another amazing book on sedum. Amazing book.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011SKPVXQ/
Name: Karen
NM (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Region: Arizona Cactus and Succulents Greenhouse Sempervivums Bromeliad
Adeniums Garden Ideas: Level 1 Tropicals Xeriscape Garden Art Plumerias
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plantmanager
Feb 9, 2017 11:07 AM CST
Thanks for that link, Lynn. It looks like a great one.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Feb 9, 2017 11:15 AM CST

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It is a very informative book and the bonus of many beautiful photos.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Feb 17, 2017 1:19 PM CST
Coming late to this discussion... Chris I experimented with tender succulents outside under a deck this winter and the graptoveria (which is what I think you have in the first three photos) will do fine even in extreme cold so long as they are kept on the dry side
However if you figure out a way to keep them dry in winter will it be too dry during summer? Figuring out the right drainage is an individual thing. You could also place bags or something over the plants when you know you're going to have several days of rain. I find these specific plants to be easy and forgiving! Mine sustained temps in 20s for a few weeks and are fine
Hope that helps
Pic of one planter box which did well, remember mine are on a covered deck so they are dry, they took the freezing temps with ease
I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Feb 17, 2017 1:21 PM CST

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Great information Greg. That method has been working for me also.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
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gg5
Feb 17, 2017 1:24 PM CST
Amazing how they survive if kept dry! Although I think today will be my day to water :)

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