Cactus and Tender Succulents forum: Gasteraloe (?) and Senecio (?) ID help needed

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HealthyBamboo
Feb 8, 2017 7:14 AM CST
Picked up two new little plants with no labels recently. I think one is a gasteraloe, maybe Green Ice, but I'm not sure. I thought the other one (first in the photos) might be a senecio jacobsenii, but the leaves appear to be more stacked, instead of clustered like senecio jacobsenii.

Thanks!
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Stush2019
Feb 8, 2017 8:21 AM CST
Welcomed and I think your right on the gasteraloe Green Ice. Can;t help with other.
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purpleinopp
Feb 8, 2017 8:29 AM CST
Hi & welcome! Cute plants! Not a plant I've seen in person but #1 reminds me of:
Portulaca molokiniensis
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tarev
Feb 8, 2017 12:17 PM CST
To me, photo #1 looks like a very young Kalanchoe thrysiflora, growing upwards as it tries to seek more light. Or Kalanchoe luciae..I always confuse the two.

Senecio jacobsenii or Kleinia petraea grows trailing downward. Your plants looks more upright growing.

This is my Kleinia petraea: just for comparison
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This is my Kalanchoe thrysiflora, during sunny conditions outdoors and changing colors when getting too wet and cold during winter:
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I agree with the other one, Gasteraloe 'Green Ice'..now unless those white specks goes more pronounced and you can feel its rigid texture as it matures some more, then it maybe Gasteria 'Little Warty'
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HealthyBamboo
Feb 8, 2017 1:45 PM CST
Thank you so much, all!

I would be excited to find out that the first little guy is a kalanchoe thrysiflora, since I've wanted one for a while. I have another kalanchoe looking plant (much larger) that has slightly fuzzy leaves. Does thrysiflora get fuzzy once it gets more mature?
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tarev
Feb 8, 2017 2:51 PM CST
Nope, it does not get fuzzy leaves. Just smooth, but it gets all sorts of red lip edging or total red leaves when getting cold stressed.

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Just keep on taking photos so we can better see its growing pattern. Some succulents looks so much alike at a certain point till we see it doing bloom stalks or other growing uniqueness.
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webesemps
Feb 8, 2017 3:15 PM CST
Just wondering whether the first photo might be a member of the Cotyledon group?
Maybe a Cotyledon macrantha?
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purpleinopp
Feb 8, 2017 6:06 PM CST
Gorgeous plants, Tarev!

This article explains that K. luciae is the one that turns red. I have that one.:
http://www.smgrowers.com/info/...
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tarev
Feb 8, 2017 6:22 PM CST
Thanks Tiffany, that is why I always get confused with the two..oftentimes they get so mixed up.
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purpleinopp
Feb 9, 2017 1:52 PM CST
That's OK, somebody will change it in 5 minutes anyway.
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Baja_Costero
Feb 9, 2017 3:02 PM CST

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For what it's worth, both K. luciae and K.thryrsiflora can turn red in the sun (or be green in the shade). The only reliable way for non-experts to know the difference is the flower, plus the overriding fact that K. thyrsiflora is essentially unknown in cultivation outside bot gardens (this is slowly changing with the passage of time). When in doubt between the two, your plant is almost certainly K. luciae.

The plant in the original post is probably not K. luciae (or the other one) because of the color and the gloss. I am leaning toward Tiffany's suggestion but that's outside my experience. The flower will certainly be revealing (and terminal, if it's a Kalanchoe).
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HealthyBamboo
Feb 14, 2017 9:27 AM CST
So I was doing my usual, window shopping on the Mountain Crest Gardens website, and I came across the portulaca molokiniensis. Is it possible the first succulent (from the original post) is one of those? The picture below is from their website.



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Baja_Costero
Feb 14, 2017 12:10 PM CST

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That would be my best guess.
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webesemps
Feb 14, 2017 12:51 PM CST
Looks very similar.
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gasrocks
Feb 14, 2017 1:07 PM CST
Your 2nd plant could be Green Ice but they do vary in appearance from plant to plant. I have probably a dozen with no 2 alike. I might suggest it is instead Little Warty. The GasterAloe that Green Ice came from. Gene
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Baja_Costero
Feb 14, 2017 1:47 PM CST

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I don't think it's "Little Warty", which (as the name suggests) is dotted with little pale bumps all over the surfaces of the leaves. The plant in the original post lacks this feature. And technically "Little Warty" is a Gasteria, its offspring "Green Ice" a Gasteraloe (with A. variegata).

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Here is a "Little Warty" with more of the white background than usual (they vary) but still plenty of warts.

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And here is a different hybrid Gasteria with lots of warts, but larger ones. Maybe I should call it "Big Warty"?

https://garden.org/thread/view...

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