Plant ID forum: wildflower in n.e. texas

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Name: Christine
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Nov 12, 2011 3:05 PM CST
it's about one foot high. hopefully the pics are clear enough.


Thumb of 2011-11-12/wildflowers/2add52

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May your life be like a wildflower, growing freely in the beauty and joy of each day --Native American Proverb

Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 12, 2011 8:32 PM CST
Are we close with Oligoneuron rigidum var. rigidum? Maybe not quite there but close!

http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=11331

That photo doesn't look like it belongs with that species!

http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/species.php?id_plant=OLRIR

Oligoneuron houghtonii maybe?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonap/2199136671/in/set-7215760...

I think the flowers on yours are closing?

http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/rareplants/profiles/tep/sol...
Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Nov 13, 2011 8:59 AM CST
Hi Janet! Thank you for your assistance.
There sure does seem to be several species of plants in the wildflower.org gallery! Blinking
the plant reminds me of goldenrod too but actually when I first saw it I thought maybe it was a milkweed, the way the leaves looked, coming up the stem alternately. I do have several varieties of goldenrod growing here.

I just went and tried to get a closer picture for you of the flower but as you see they are just about spent! I wish I could get closer---macro envy setting in again!! LOL! the little tiny flowers each has five petals and each petal curls under --- you know like when you take the edge of scissors over ribbon? -- like that.

Here I'm holding the flowers between two fingers:

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JRsbugs
Nov 13, 2011 10:14 AM CST
Thanks Christine, I can see the petals better now.

Asclepias tuberosa is close, maybe a subspecies of it..

http://florapittsburghensis.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/butterf...

Asclepias tuberosa Hello Yellow .. maybe an escapee as it's been 'tweaked'?

http://allanbecker-gardenguru.squarespace.com/journal/tag/as...

http://www.abnativeplants.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.pl...

http://www.dyckarboretum.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=plants.pla...

A long list of Asclepias species!

http://luirig.altervista.org/generinam/asclepias.htm

Drawings at the bottom, and a photo of the original A. tuberosa which still looks to have slightly broader petals and not as many.

http://luirig.altervista.org/cpm/albums/leo-m1/leo-mic-Ascle...

You will know better if the flowers match..

http://antsbeesbutterfliesnature.blogspot.com/2009/07/colors...



Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Nov 13, 2011 10:33 AM CST
Not a milkweed and not a goldenrod. I'll look around and see if I can find it. Looks like Asteraceae family to me.
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JRsbugs
Nov 13, 2011 11:01 AM CST
I thought Asteracea family too Linda, but they can be confusing! I hope you can find it. Maybe Solidago? That is Goldenrod though. Whistling

http://luirig.altervista.org/naturaitaliana/viewpics.php?tit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldenrod

Flowers on Solidago stricta come close, not sure about the habit though..

http://www.freshfromflorida.com/pi/enpp/triology/4805/triolo...

http://hawthornhillwildflowers.blogspot.com/2011/10/solidago...

Leaves on Solidago petiolaris come close..

http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/specimens/Asteraceae4.html

I found a list of Asteraceae with specimens..

http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/specimens/Asteraceae.html
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JRsbugs
Nov 13, 2011 11:43 AM CST
I had a 'quick' google of all the genera listed on the last link apart from some obvious ones, closest I found is Gymnosperma glutinosum but the leaves look smaller and flower heads bigger, unless this is a young plant.

http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/species.php?id_plant=GYGL

http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/HaysFlora/pages/GYGL.html

http://www.catnapin.com/WildFlowers/Weed/wzDaisyBroomweed.ht...
Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Nov 13, 2011 2:21 PM CST
I'm rethinking goldenrod. This is the season for it and I found one in my yard that still has flowers...maybe! There's quite a few kinds.
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Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Nov 13, 2011 2:29 PM CST
I thought asclepias, too. The foliage looks dead on. Are leaves opposite or alternate?

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JRsbugs
Nov 13, 2011 2:38 PM CST
Euthamia graminifolia ? Close?

http://www.ct-botanical-society.org/galleries/euthamiagram.h...

http://bugguide.net/node/view/332892

http://www.flickr.com/photos/swampr0se/5506923213/

http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+000...

Close to NE Texas?

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EUGR5



Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Nov 13, 2011 7:15 PM CST
Well, Euthamia looks close to me. Not goldenrod, but very similar...look at the details on the flowers. It's like clusters of little flowers in a single flowerhead. I haven't seen that genus around here.
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
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JRsbugs
Nov 13, 2011 7:37 PM CST
There's Euthamia gymnospermoides too..

http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/prairie/plantx/plgr_gold...

It's in Texas!

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EUGY

http://wisplants.uwsp.edu/scripts/detail.asp?SpCode=EUTGYM

Five species listed on the next site, look at the 'habit' of Euthamia gymnospermoides

http://www.jcsemple.uwaterloo.ca/Euthamia.htm

http://www.bustaniplantfarm.com/euthamia-gymnospermoides.htm...

http://plants.usda.gov/java/imageGallery?category=sciname&tx...

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JRsbugs
Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM CST
Euthamia leptocephala is in Texas too but it doesn't match..

http://wildflowers.jdcc.edu/Flat-Topped%20Goldenrod.html

http://131.230.176.4/cgi-bin/dol/dol_terminal.pl?taxon_name=...

There's only 6 species, two in Texas, Euthamia gymnospermoides has got to be it!

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=EUTHA

The link to the 'habit' of Euthamia gymnospermoides ..

http://www.jcsemple.uwaterloo.ca/Euthamia_gymnospermoides.jp...
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Name: Christine
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Nov 14, 2011 8:20 AM CST
thanks you all are so close!!! the plant is much like the Euthamia except the plant seems to grow from a single leaved stem and the flowers from the top of the single stem, unless they are not fully grown plants. Unfortunately I didn't get a closer pick in full bloom because the flower petals were curled back even then-like tiny cups with curled back petals, sepals coming from the centers. I'll get some more current pics of the whole plant and leaves.

Again, thank you-- hopefully we can get this one in the plant files!! Big Grin
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 8:57 AM CST
I think yours is a young plant Christine, look at the flowers from above in this photo..

http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/prairie/plantx/plgr_gold...

I would like to see more photos though, a side view as well.

The description..

This native perennial plant is 1½–3' tall, branching frequently in the upper half to create a bushy effect. The narrow stems are hairless. The alternate leaves are up to 3½" long and less than ¼" across. They are linear, hairless, and have smooth edges. There is usually only a single prominent vein, although some of the larger leaves may have 2 additional side veins that are visible. The upper stems terminate in clusters of small composite flowers. While in the bud stage, each cluster typically has 3-7 sessile flowerheads. Some of the flowerheads eventually develop short pedicels and partially separate from each other. Each flowerhead is only 1/8" across while in bloom, and variable in length, depending on its maturity. There are about 5 yellow disk florets and 12 yellow ray florets in each flowerhead. Beneath these florets, is a short cylinder of narrow bracts. These bracts are often resinous and shiny, and can vary in color from green to pale yellow. The blooming period occurs from late summer to fall, and lasts about 2 months. A typical plant blooms gradually over a long period of time. A floral scent may, or may not, be noticeable. The florets are replaced by bullet-shaped achenes with small tufts of white hair, which are dispersed by the wind. Small brown pieces of the dried-up florets often persist within these tufts of hair. The root system is fibrous and produces long rhizomes, forming vegetative colonies readily.


The upper stems terminate in clusters of small composite flowers

While in the bud stage, each cluster typically has 3-7 sessile flowerheads. Some of the flowerheads eventually develop short pedicels and partially separate from each other

The alternate leaves are up to 3½" long and less than ¼" across. They are linear, hairless, and have smooth edges. There is usually only a single prominent vein, although some of the larger leaves may have 2 additional side veins that are visible

Does this fit? The photos in the links are probably groups if plants.




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Name: Christine
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Nov 14, 2011 9:28 AM CST
Okay Janet, I think you're right!! That all sounds very similar!!! And, upon closer inspection (moved the grass away) there is only one woody stem!!


More pics:

Thumb of 2011-11-14/wildflowers/376fdd






May your life be like a wildflower, growing freely in the beauty and joy of each day --Native American Proverb

Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 9:55 AM CST
I think I'm right too Christine! Hilarious!

Put your side view of the leaves next to this photo..

http://www.jcsemple.uwaterloo.ca/Euthamia_gymnospermoides.jp...
Name: Linda
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LindaTX8
Nov 14, 2011 10:33 AM CST
Lovely plant! Janet, you're quite a plant detective, wow!
I would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority. E. B.White
Integrity can never be taken. It can only be given, and I wasn't going to give it up to these people. Gary Mowad
Name: Christine
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wildflowers
Nov 14, 2011 10:42 AM CST
They sure do match!!

Wow Janet, I agree you are a pro!! - of plants and bugs!!

Thank you!! I will consider this solved and add some of these pics to the plant files.

Thank you both!!
May your life be like a wildflower, growing freely in the beauty and joy of each day --Native American Proverb

Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 2:01 PM CST
*Blush* Do you think I missed my calling, maybe I should have been a detective but this is more fun. Big Grin

When I get time I might try your other plant again Christine, I need to get some of my photos up to date so I can burn them before I set up my new computer or I will have lots of unnamed photos from previous burnings. I tend to do the things I like doing most first though! Hilarious!

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