Roses forum: Annual vines with climbing roses

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Name: Taqiyyah
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lovesblooms
Feb 10, 2017 1:20 PM CST
I have Dublin Bay on either side of an arch. Which vines would you recommend to grow with them, that would flower when it's hot and the roses mostly take a break?
Name: Mike
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Calsurf73
Feb 11, 2017 10:52 AM CST
Tough question, and one I've experimented with over the years.
The "traditional" answer would probably be Clematis.

I currently have two arbors which have a climbing rose on one side and a common ivy geranium on the opposite side. The ivy geraniums (technically "pelargoniums"...not true Geraniums) were only planted as a temporary thing to fill in the arbor/arches until the rose got big enough to cover the structure.
It did work in both cases but I had to weave the ivy geraniums through the arbors as they grew, which was no big deal. The contrasting colors of the two looks nice and it does solve the issue of having some color on those arbors when the roses are in between bloom cycles and/or they stall because of the heat.
However: This combo probably wouldn't work in your climate zone due to your winter temps which might freeze the geraniums. Yes, the geraniums do tend to want to overpower the roses but I keep them in bounds. The ivy geraniums are evergreen here and do provide bloom year round. Since they don't have tendrils or "feet" by which they "climb", they're easy to remove.

In preparation for a garden tour one year I planted sweet peas on one of them to get some color on a rose climber which I knew wouldn't be in bloom at the time of the tour. The sweet peas grew and bloomed, but due to their climbing habit went straight UP but didn't follow the curve of the arches. They were very pretty but it was a colossal headache (to say the least) removing the sweet peas when they were finished as they had practically strangled the rose with their tendrils. Clearly I wasn't thinking when I did that combination !

Clematis seems to the best vine I can think of to get the effect you want, although I have limited success with them in our hot summer climate. They don't overpower my roses like other things I've tried.

Dublin Bay has vicious thorns (as you already know !) so be cautious what you plant that will intertwine with it and needs removal later in the season. I have a Henryi clematis (it's white) that I allow to merge with my Dublin Bay and it gives some contrasting color when DB isn't blooming as well as when it is flowering.

Hopefully someone else will post suggestions.

Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Feb 11, 2017 3:29 PM CST
I have tried to find blooming combinations also.I hope someone pops in with some good suggestions.

If you pick clematis, check the pruning groups - 1,2,3. With a thorny rose, you probably want a clematis that requires minimal pruning. Check the growing habit also. Some are tidy growers, some look like they are trying to take over the world! Some are divas. I don't have any good combos to recommend.

I have seen pictures of lovely clematis/rose pairings. It is possible....

Name: Taqiyyah
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lovesblooms
Feb 11, 2017 5:31 PM CST
Hm, you're both right. I was thinking an annual vine, but no, I don't want to tangle with those thorns any more than absolutely necessary...
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Feb 11, 2017 7:35 PM CST
I accidentally grew morning glory with a couple of thorny climbing roses. The dead vines were not that hard to remove once they were really dry.
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Name: Taqiyyah
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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lovesblooms
Feb 11, 2017 8:57 PM CST
I feel encouraged! I don't really want to do clematis for some reason. Actually the main reason is clematis are expensive and I can only grow the invasive species types from seed (that I know of).
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MargieNY
Feb 12, 2017 12:16 AM CST
Bluestone has what they call "50/50 Fridays - 50% off"
https://www.bluestoneperennial...

One of this weeks specials is a clematis named "Abilene" for $6.98 - it is a type 2 pruning. Next Friday they will offer other flowers, I don't know if there will be any clematis offered - you just have to keep checking each week.
About the type 1, 2 & 3 - I would go to the clematis forum - they will be able to help you. I think it's type 2 you would want for your purpose (???).
Name: Taqiyyah
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Container Gardener Bee Lover Region: Mid-Atlantic Vegetable Grower Seed Starter Salvias
Roses Plant and/or Seed Trader Winter Sowing Region: Maryland
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lovesblooms
Feb 12, 2017 8:37 AM CST
Thanks for the link, Margie, I'll check it out!
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Feb 12, 2017 10:24 AM CST
Bluestone has what they call "50/50 Fridays - 50% off"
https://www.bluestoneperennial...

One of this weeks specials is a clematis named "Abilene" for $6.98 - it is a type 2 pruning. Next Friday they will offer other flowers, I don't know if there will be any clematis offered - you just have to keep checking each week.
About the type 1, 2 & 3 - I would go to the clematis forum - they will be able to help you. I think it's type 2 you would want for your purpose (???).
Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Feb 13, 2017 10:43 AM CST
Japanese morning glories (I. nil) reseed less. There are many beautiful ones.

A white flowered cardinal climber (Ipomoea quamoclit) might look nice with your rose. The smaller leaves and flowers might be pretty. It may get out of control in warm climates according to reviews. It is less robust than ipomoea purpurea 'Star of Yelta' purple morning glory in my climate. FYI, I have tons of seed for 'Star of Yelta' if anyone wants any!

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