Roses forum: Help identifying this beauty

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Name: Nancy
Roseville, CA (Zone 9b)
Ninneyc
Mar 10, 2017 7:51 PM CST
Hi all!
I've been trying to figure out what kind of rose this is. Any help is so appreciated. My mom used to have this rose as a potted patio tree rose. As a bud, there was more yellow and orange color, then when open there was more pink. The frangrance was strong and wonderful. I'd love to figure out what it is and add it to my garden. My mom doesn't remember what the name was, but she did have it for many years (maybe got it late 90s, early 00s).
Any help would be wonderful! Thank you!!
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Name: Andi
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GardenQuilts
Mar 10, 2017 7:53 PM CST
I am waiting to find out what rose it is too.
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IrisLilli
Mar 11, 2017 6:53 AM CST
Whatever it is it is lovely! Lovey dubby

Welcome to the Roses Forum Nancy! Hope someone can help you ID that rose! Crossing Fingers!
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Mar 11, 2017 6:02 PM CST

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It's a beauty, in my favorite colors! With a single bloom to a stem, it could be a hybrid tea but the bloom form could also be a floribunda. So many roses with that coloring have come in and out of commerce since then, it really is hard to tell from a few photos. It could have been something sold for only a short time.
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Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Mar 11, 2017 9:13 PM CST
Truly lovely!

The rose in my own garden that most closely resembles the one above would be Mardi Gras (Zary), a floribunda; but it did not come out until 2007, reputed to be fragrant. Perhaps Mardi Gras is a little more deeply colored.

Still, it might might do if nothing better shows up. Any votes for, say, Chicago Peace?

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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Mar 11, 2017 10:27 PM CST

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Didn't seem large enough or full enough for Rose (Rosa 'Chicago Peace') I have several images in there, some more pink. But there are a few images that may look similar.

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Steve812
Mar 12, 2017 12:57 PM CST
I agree. There is at least a tiny chance it is due to differences in cultivation techniques or geography. Chicago Peace is not known for its fragrance, is it?

That's a beautiful specimen, btw.

The petals of the subject rose are too long for it to be the floribunda Brass Band. I've not grown either, but the photograph does remind me just a bit of some other photos of Sutter's Gold or Sheila's Perfume, which seem to be highly variable. Either would be old enough. Both are fragrant. I think the latter has edged back into a few catalogues recently.

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While I have no real hope of IDing the rose in the photo, I do have some hope of naming a rose that might be a good substitute for the original.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Mar 12, 2017 1:38 PM CST

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The third photo of Chicago Peace was from the San Jose Heritage Rose garden, the first two were from my former garden. The new owners killed it, as they did many other plants, they are not gardeners and obviously failure to water will kill many things. Glare

Brass Band is very distinct, I can recognize that one anywhere! Lovey dubby

It does remind me of the coloring of Livin' Easy but LE has less petals and the centers usually show when fully open.
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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Mar 12, 2017 2:23 PM CST
A very good likeness, indeed.

I always think of Livin'Easy as having that really strong, saturated orange color because I've only ever seen it in marketing photos. I can see here that it can have a softer, more subtle coloration. Can it really be as pink as the subject photo?

The lack of reflexed (curled back at the tip) petals is vaguely suggestive of a grandiflora or floribunda, though there are lots of HT roses that lack reflexed petals and lots of good floribundas with it. (OK they might reflex just a little. Not a very informative clue, but possibly a helpful one.)
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Name: Nancy
Roseville, CA (Zone 9b)
Ninneyc
Mar 12, 2017 3:21 PM CST
Thanks everyone! All the input is awesome. ❤
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Mar 12, 2017 7:40 PM CST
I am lousy at identifying roses from just the photo of the bloom, but my guess is that the rose is 'Artistry' which was released in 1997. Color description is "coral-orange with a lighter reverse."

My second guess is 'Color Wonder'. On HMF the color description reads "coral-red with cream reverse." NGA color description is "Coral-orange, with cream reverse".

It's an old HT, but was very popular for a long time.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Mar 12, 2017 7:56 PM CST

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Artistry doesn't have any of the yellow as shown in the OP blooms. And it's a deeper coral orange.


We only have one image of Color Wonder.


but here are a few pages of additional images http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
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Paul2032
Mar 12, 2017 8:10 PM CST
It reminds me of Granada. In my garden the blooms vary some what. Fragrance is a good hint. Looks a little like Talisman as I recall it also..
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Warbird
Mar 20, 2017 11:10 PM CST
The rose looks very familiar. My guess would be it may well have been originally picked up as a bare root bagged rose and in those there are still a great deal of the older Hybrid Teas and such available. It looks like it could well be "Condessa de Sastago".
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MargieNY
Mar 21, 2017 12:16 AM CST
My first guess would have been Livin Easy but.... when I compared the photos to mine ... I wasn't convinced.
Here's a photo of Pensioners Voice. It might be this????


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