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May 4, 2020 3:57 PM CST
In 45 years of orchid growing, I have never used it.
I would not even consider using it.

There is one major group of orchids that grow semi-hydroponically in South America. And that group is the New World Lady Slippers-Phragmipediums. They grow in rather lush, stream side grasssy areas that become seasonally flooded from monsoon like rains.
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May 4, 2020 4:32 PM CST

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Charlotte, I was considering of answering your question, but considering that I will surely duplicate my previous additions to this thread, I refrained. Smiling Perhaps you might dig through this thread first?
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May 4, 2020 5:35 PM CST
BigBill said:There is one major group of orchids that grow semi-hydroponically in South America. And that group is the New World Lady Slippers-Phragmipediums.


Are you sure about that?
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May 4, 2020 5:54 PM CST
Yes.
There are three our four species that grow like that within the group.
Thirty or so years ago, when these orchids kind of burst on to the scene so to speak, speakers/growers were out on the circuit talking about how to grow them. At that time they claimed that growing them in a seedling mix while standing in a saucer of water was the way to grow them.
If I remember correctly they were found in a stream side environment with a lot of mossy type vegetation in amongst other stream side vegetation.

Two such species are Phragmipedium longifolium and Phragmipedium pearcei.
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May 4, 2020 6:13 PM CST
I found other items from my notes when Frank Smith spoke about them at a Judging center training seminar in Tampa about 7-8 years back that said Phragmipedium besseae will also be found in very wet areas and along the edges of streams. Phragmipedium delesandroi (sp. ) can also be found in these areas but I made an addition in my notes later from another source that recent information might indicate that it likes to be a bit drier then besseae. That comes from Andy Easton when I heard him speak in Lansing last October.
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May 4, 2020 6:15 PM CST

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Phragmipedium besseae also grows similar to longifolium on limestone cliffs, continually washed over by springs.
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May 4, 2020 6:16 PM CST

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Bill, we cross posted! Smiling

see here Phrag besseae, it was so wet, to make a crab happy!!
https://garden.org/thread/view...

and Phrag pearcei, those embankments are totally submerged at times!
https://garden.org/thread/view...
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May 4, 2020 9:02 PM CST
How about Epipactis gigantea and Dactylorhiza fuchsii? Both creek side water dwellers. I'm sure there are more, those are the two I know without working at it as I grow both.
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May 5, 2020 4:27 AM CST
When I saw Charlottes post about orchids with water culture, I cited the Phragmipedium group because they are commonly sold, commonly grown and showy plants.
I figured that it was a decent answer to her question.
I did not take it to mean that she wanted the name of every single orchid in the Orchid Family that could tolerate aqua culture. In a family of over 30,000 species, if 150, 200, 300 plants could do well, that is a tiny percentage.

I think that Charlottes' question was answered.
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May 5, 2020 5:22 AM CST

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Daisy, to be fair to Bill, those are two individual species rather than a group.

He is right that it is only a small percentage of Orchids that grow in very wet conditions.
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May 5, 2020 7:48 AM CST

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Exactly!
What also should be mentioned that those particular Orchids are not growing IN water, they are simply washed over/sprayed/ bathed with fresh water! Not stagnant water! Even the Phrag pearcei is only occasionally submerged!
Now regarding the Phrag pearcei - I bought a plant after we came home from that Ecuador trip. The plant is hanging on, but I can't say it is doing well. And in ca 5 seasons, I am striking out getting it to bloom.
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May 5, 2020 3:59 PM CST
BigBill said:There are three our four species that grow like that within the group.


ALL Dactylorhiza grow in marshes, maybe why they aren't so commonly grown. According to AOS: "The World Checklist of Monocotyledons recognizes 45 species and numerous named botanical varieties as well as 81 natural hybrids".

My point was, your answer was very absolute. As a scientist, I know there are no absolutes.

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May 5, 2020 4:34 PM CST
I was referring to the group of Phragmipedium, not entire World of Orchids!
I was citing a group of orchids that were again, easily found, widely available, desirable, and showy. And within this popular genus or group of orchids, there are some that would lend themselves to aqua culture.
Nothing I said was remotely absolute. All I did was to point out a group of orchids that might entice Charlotte and other readers of the forum to consider growing them. That's all.

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May 5, 2020 6:08 PM CST
Apparently I misunderstood your intentions.

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