Plant Database forum: Text for Echeveria page

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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Mar 12, 2017 1:16 PM CST
I see a page here with a big white box and was wondering if you would like to fill it with some useful text like you have for the potatoes or whatever.

The Echeverias Database

Would this be appropriate? Can I adjust the text to make it better?

This genus of rosette succulents (named after the Mexican artist Atanasio Echeverría) is mostly native to Mexico, with a number of other species from Central and South America, and one from Texas.

Echeverias are popular container plants for their ease of care, great diversity of hues and forms, and brightly colored flowers which attract hummingbirds. A number of interesting hybrids have been created and selected for special features like hair, ruffled leaves, carunculation, powder dusting, etc.

Most Echeverias require bright light and do not thrive indoors unless they are near a sunny window, receiving hours of daily sun. They tend to come from high altitude habitat where intense sun is not accompanied by serious heat, and as a consequence they do not thrive in very hot desert locations or enjoy lots of direct sun during the summer in marginal climates. In mild climates most plants can take part sun or more year round without any problems.

Echeverias (and their intergeneric kin) enjoy excellent drainage and prefer a pot that is wider than deep. It can be helpful to know the eventual size of your plant, but when in doubt, choose a pot that is not much more than an inch or so wider than the rosette.

Some plants are solitary while others offset profusely, and this behavior helps determine the best method for propagation. Offsets (the easiest way to go) can be cut and planted with about half an inch of naked stem, and they will root within weeks. Intact leaves can be placed on top of the soil and they will usually sprout a tiny new rosette and roots at the base. Seeds are vanishingly small, almost dust-like, but easy to collect from mature, dry inflorescences. They require overhead protection after germination until there is a recognizable rosette.

Echeveria is closely related to other mostly New World Crassulaceae (Pachyphytum, Graptopetalum, Sedum, etc.) and can create intergeneric hybrids with these plants. It cannot hybridize with another closely related New World genus of rosette succulents, Dudleya (mostly from the Californias), with which it is sometimes confused.
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 12, 2017 3:52 PM CST
Baja, Thumbs up I agree, that page should have text describing Echeveria. It appears quite confusing as it stands because it looks to be the General Entry page for all Echeveria and yet the current heading reads: Echeverias: Plant Care and Collection of Varieties Confused

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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Mar 12, 2017 4:33 PM CST
It does have a link to the generic Echeveria page, which is here.

Echeverias (Echeveria)
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 12, 2017 6:46 PM CST
That seems confusing to me; is one a parent plant entry and the other a general entry for all Echeveria? Confused
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longk
Mar 12, 2017 7:02 PM CST
You have my support but I'm not admin. I grow quite a few but a couple have only loose id's so it would be great to have something to check them against.

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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Mar 12, 2017 8:31 PM CST
Thanks longk. Smiling

Lin, I'll let the master designer speak for himself, but I get the sense the general Echeveria page (link in the original post) is like a user-friendly welcome to the genus with selected (presumably most-thumbed) photos and the most recent images/comments, while the other page (second link) is a complete collection of all the Echeveria photos which haven't been filed under a particular species or variety, plus common data and comments about the genus. I agree there is some overlap, but they are functionally different. What caught my eye was the lack of general introductory text on the link in the original post. Compare to the equivalent page for potatoes and maybe you will see what I mean.

The Potatoes Database

You will see a parallel setup there with a parent entry linked in the same place.

Potatoes (Solanum tuberosum)
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Mar 12, 2017 8:45 PM CST
I agree, the Echeverias Database page really needs text. I guess there is no moderator for that particular database so I don't know if one of the other database moderators can add the text or if it has to be @Dave?
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Mar 13, 2017 6:46 AM CST

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Yes, the system is setup so that all the database pages can have informative and helpful text. I have as a goal to soon make it so that anyone can propose the addition of information.

For now, I can add it myself, and I will based on the first post of this thread. Thumbs up
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Mar 13, 2017 9:06 AM CST
Great, thank you! I would only suggest a small change, to the last paragraph, to retitle it "Relatives" instead of "Trivia".

The Echeverias Database

I would be happy to come up with text for the other plants I grow (agaves, aloes, Dudleyas, etc.), along the same lines. I can do this now or wait until you have a system set up to feed in that text.
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Mar 13, 2017 10:01 AM CST

Garden.org Admin

I would love to have you make some text for the other plants. Let me get the system ready for you and then you can input them directly. I'll do my best to get it ready early this week.

As you think about what you might want to put into each one, keep in mind that we want them sectioned like I did in the Echeverias database page. It's a long story why we're doing it that way, but the biggest benefit is it makes it more readable.

My goal is that for each plant type, we have at least the following sections present:

Intro (1 paragraph)

About the plant (more detailed information about what makes this plant different from tohers)

Special features (optional)

Choosing a site to grow the plant

Planting Instructions

Ongoing Care

and finally any other sections, trivia, etc.

The Daylilies Database has a good example of these sections, but it needs to be more fleshed out.
Name: Lin
Florida Zone 9b, 10a

Region: United States of America Deer Region: Florida Charter ATP Member Million Pollinator Garden Challenge I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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plantladylin
Mar 13, 2017 10:43 AM CST
Looking good! Thumbs up Thumbs up
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