Plant ID forum: Prickly pear and Barrel ID help needed please.

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Name: Agavegirl1
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AgaveGirl1
Mar 23, 2017 9:46 AM CST
Hi,

Picked up this gorgeous medium and dark green spotted p.pear. No labeling. Can anyone tell me please what variety this is?

Also had this barrel in my yard for 2 years now. I'm assuming it is a barrel. Could anyone confirm and if so what type?

Thank you all for the help.
AG


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Name: Agavegirl1
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AgaveGirl1
Mar 24, 2017 10:49 AM CST
Hi guys......

Anyone out there that can help with one or both of these plants?

Thanks,
AG
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gingin
Mar 24, 2017 10:54 AM CST
If you have a picture with blooms on them it would probably help a lot with an ID
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Henhouse
Mar 24, 2017 2:33 PM CST
It's not a Golden Barrel.. Wondering if it could be a type of Ferrocactus?

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AgaveGirl1
Mar 24, 2017 4:58 PM CST
Hi guys,

Thanks for responding. No, no blooms. The barrel (?) has never bloomed yet. It could very well be a Ferocacti. Not sure. I have owned it for 2 years. It grows slow as it hasn't gotten much bigger from when I purchased it. It is happy and quite alive though.

The p.pear I just purchased and is only a few days old to its new home in the pot. I paid less then $3.00 for it at a BB store. Label said, "Opuntia/Opuntia Species" Rolling my eyes. D'Oh! Yeah. No kidding. Tell me something I don't know.


Sherry....
The Euphorbias like it outside as long as they get some shade in the hottest part of summer and covered in the winter when it hits about 36 or 35 F in the evenings. Outside of that they do fine.

I'm jealous you can grow succulents! I'd love to have some succulents. You know...Sedums, Sempervivums, Aeonium, etc. Uh...tried. Unsuited for Arizona desert, Zone 9B summer. I call succulents in AZ chips 'n dip. They fry to a brown crisp like a potato chip when in the sun. Even in the shade they're no match for the 110+ heat everyday. So in attempts to revive them they get over watered and then turn to green guacamole like mush. See chips 'n dip! Hilarious!

As for my new kids, any ideas or wild stabs in the dark? Crossing Fingers!
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mcvansoest
Mar 24, 2017 6:44 PM CST
AG:

Opuntia decumbens.

And your barrel looks like something in the Echinopsis/Trichocereus range of cacti, but without a flower it is hard to say. I do not think it is a Ferocactus, does not look quite right for those.
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DaisyI
Mar 24, 2017 8:23 PM CST
I agree with mcvansoest
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AgaveGirl1
Mar 25, 2017 8:20 AM CST
Thanks Thijs, I tip my hat to you.
You are right. It is an Opuntia decumbens.

As for the NOID plant I've been calling a barrel, I would like to learn. Can you please explain how you determined Echinopsis/Trichocereus? What were the 'give away' traits or visual clues you used?

Thanks.
AG
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mcvansoest
Mar 25, 2017 9:40 AM CST
Hi AG,

regarding the barrel:

Initially, I mainly went with what to me it obviously was not. People had already excluded the Golden Barrel - and it is quite obvious why: no yellow spines, also how the spines look and are carried would be wrong. Similarly it is also not any of the close relatives of the Golden Barrel.

The same for a Ferocactus - the spines are all wrong, in how they are carried and what they look like. Most Ferocacti have at least several 'central spines' that are very distinct in appearance - flat, ribbed, and/or often curved.

Then after that it becomes a little bit also what I expect you be able to come across in the average BB store (making the assumption you got it there) combined with the sense I get from its appearance in your pictures. It makes me think of an Echinopsis or closely related species as a most likely possibility. There are some other cacti species it could be, but that we can really only tell if it grows bigger and starts developing more distinctive characteristics and/or flowers.
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DaisyI
Mar 25, 2017 12:51 PM CST
mcvansoest gave you a good explanation of the process. Ferocactus usually (I want to say always but the minute I do, someone will find the exception) have ridges on tops of their spines like a washboard - you can feel them with your fingernail. But the overall look of it does not say Ferocactus to me - too many spines. I also am leaning toward Echinopsis but... They bloom young and you have had yours for 2 years. Either it didn't get the care required to bloom or the Echinopsis ID is also wrong.
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AgaveGirl1
Mar 25, 2017 4:32 PM CST
Wow,
Thanks guys. I learned something new. Thumbs up That was very informative. Next time I'll have to pay more attention to the spines instead of just the overall general shape of the plant. I do have several Ferocacti. I'll have to feel the spines for ridges.

Echinopsis? Huh. I wouldn't have imagined it being in this family because of the long, sharp spines but I guess it very well could be because of its globular shape and overall size.

I did get it from a BB store. It is healthy and a little plumper from our Wednesday rain. Smiling It does o.k. in the sun except for the hottest part of summer when it needs a bit of shade cloth. Its needles will get sunburnt.

Anyone want to guess what kazillion Echinopsis it could be?

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DaisyI
Mar 25, 2017 5:04 PM CST
Echinopsis is only a guess at this point. We need flowers...
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Name: Thijs van Soest
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mcvansoest
Mar 25, 2017 5:10 PM CST
I agree with Daisy about the ID of that plant, very tentative.

However, the Echinopsis family is very large at the moment and aside from the blooms when young plants that have been extensively hybridized, there are plenty of plants especially in what used to be the Trichocereus family that take a while to grow big enough to flower. I have something that looks a lot like yours that I have had for 3-4 years now that has not bloomed yet. Not sure it is a plant from the Echinopsis family but its overall appears suggests it to me.
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AgaveGirl1
Mar 26, 2017 8:42 AM CST
O.K.
So we'll settle on calling it Echinopsis 'What's it'. I'll keep my eyes peeled and see if it decides to produce a flower or fruit in the near future.

BTW...Thijs, can you post a photo of your plant? I'd love to see it and compare/contrast to mine.

Thanks

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mcvansoest
Mar 26, 2017 12:36 PM CST
check this one out: http://www.agaveville.org/view...

has some strong similarities.
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AgaveGirl1
Mar 27, 2017 7:30 AM CST
Thumbs up Looks a lot like my guy. I'll go with that for now.
Thanks for all the help and time and educational advice.
Much appreciated.
AG
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