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Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
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Roosterlorn
Mar 26, 2017 7:10 PM CST
Growing wild in my natural henryi patch. Photos taken last summer. A couple of these I might pull for further propagation.
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A real shorty--about 20 inches.
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Name: Joe
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Joebass
Mar 26, 2017 8:23 PM CST
Lorn, I like the first one. It has nice purple papillae and looks somewhere between orange and yellow. I also like the second to last. Good flower form and nice nectaries.
Name: della
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dellac
Mar 26, 2017 9:01 PM CST
Nice. And I agree with Joe.

I like the idea of a 'wild henryi' patch. Conjures up all sorts of images. Green Grin!
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Nhra_20
Mar 27, 2017 5:42 AM CST
Nice color variations Lorn. Drooling
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
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auratum
Mar 27, 2017 9:58 AM CST
Roosterlorn said:Growing wild in my natural henryi patch. Photos taken last summer. A couple of these I might pull for further propagation.


Lorn - when you say these are growing wild - do you mean these were volunteer seedlings?

Nice variation in the group. The first one reminds me of 'Beaverton' in the color of the flower with that blend of orange/yellow and touch of green with flecks.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
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Roosterlorn
Mar 27, 2017 11:16 AM CST
Dave, most of the stuff that comes up in there is junk but every now and then something will show up worth saving. Most of these have either been pulled from the henryi patch or are still in there. Photos from last summer. Because this patch adjoins my work garden of Div. VI Trumpet and Aurelians, there's always some late season cross pollenating going on. That's when things start to get a little more interesting. The flower form of late season crossing of L. henryi material with Trumpet/Aurelian pollen almost always resembles the sunburst form or is more AURELIAN-LIKE in appearance. The flower form can be changed to Trumpet form in the next couple steps using pollen from the typically earlier blooming Trumpets or Trumpet/Aurelian that are more TRUMPET-LIKE. This will also most likely change the bloom time.
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Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Mar 27, 2017 11:55 AM CST
auratum said:

Lorn - when you say these are growing wild - do you mean these were volunteer seedlings?

Nice variation in the group. The first one reminds me of 'Beaverton' in the color of the flower with that blend of orange/yellow and touch of green with flecks.


Yes, all volunteers that seed over. It gets unruly and kind of resembles a tangled blackberry patch without the thorns. Luckily, the ground is soft enough to where I can go in and pull out the overgrown top floppies and undesirables by hand every couple years. There's a mix of hybrids of henryi, henryi, var. citrinum and rosthornii in there.

I do have a 'Beaverton' but that's in a different Div. VI plot. My 'Beaverton' is a little larger and not quite as reflexed as the one in the first picture. The color is a little darker or more intense, also. The problem I have with 'Beaverton' is the petals on mine have a tendency to want to twist. I haven't done any crossing with it--just growing it for it's historical value. I'll post a picture a little later. Have you done any work with 'Beaverton'?

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Mar 27, 2017 1:24 PM CST
What a coincidence. Until just last Saturday, I had never heard of Beaverton. Dave (Nhra_20) and I attended a presentation on Aurelians at our local lily society (NSLS) education meeting. Rimmer had spent a lot of time researching Aurelian lily history.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
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Roosterlorn
Mar 27, 2017 3:40 PM CST
The 'Beaverton', developed in the late 1940's, is considered to be the last and possibly unfinished works of Carlton Yerex, a front runner to Jan de Graaff. It was recently discovered growing at a church yard in Beaverton, Oregon (around 1990s). It's 'Original Name' which escapes me right now, is not Beaverton. Beaverton is only the name of the town where it was rediscovered. If this story is true and if the bulb really is what it's thought to be, it would make it one of the oldest, longest living lily bulbs known to exist. Smiling
Name: Patrick
Midland, Michigan (Zone 6a)
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auratum
Mar 27, 2017 3:43 PM CST
Roosterlorn said: Have you done any work with 'Beaverton'?


Lorn - thanks for the explanation. I have not worked with 'Beaverton'. I have had it for a number of years and only in the last couple of years has it developed into a mature stem. I haven't used it as I like 'Ypsilanti' better. I was given a small bulb of both of these many years ago by Charlie Kroell who for many years (decades?) had been trying to trace down the origin of the yellow form of L. henryi - it seems the oldest clone he could identify is 'Ypsilanti'. He was looking for some indication of whether this was of hybrid origin or whether it was a mutant yellow form. He was never able to determine without some doubt the origin.

We do need to be clear about how/what we call these things. I see a number of people that talk about anything that looks like L. henryi as if it is a henryi. It is a hybrid that looks like henryi but it is not pure species henryi any longer. Another confusing thing here is the named clone 'White Henryi' and some folks calling anything that has white and henryi shape "white henryi's". If it is mixed L. henryi and Chinese trumpets I believe the correct terminology is to call them Aurelians.

One of the things I want to work on is crossing a dark purple trumpet with henryi/rosthornii. I think it would be really interesting to get a pink/purple henryi shaped flower with dark nectaries...


Name: Joe
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Joebass
Mar 27, 2017 4:13 PM CST
Patrick great minds think alike! Work on a reflexes Henryiesque purple.
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First three picks is of an interesting Henryi hybrid that I got by chance and is the pod parent. The last pick is a dark selection of summer palace and pollen parent.

Just germinating now. See the results in a few years!
Name: Patrick
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auratum
Mar 27, 2017 6:57 PM CST
Joebass said:Patrick great minds think alike! Work on a reflexes Henryiesque purple.

First three picks is of an interesting Henryi hybrid that I got by chance and is the pod parent. The last pick is a dark selection of summer palace and pollen parent.

Just germinating now. See the results in a few years!


Joe - great minds do think alike. I crossed a dark purple trumpet onto a seedling that I grew as L. rosthornii from seed of John Lykkegaard that appears to be a dark heart hybrid with L. henryi due to the fat pods. Anyway - the cross made very few seed and I only have one seedling growing from the cross. We should probably do some pollen swapping when these things flower. Is your henryi hybrid part OT or polyploid? It just looks really beefy - did you grow it from seed or do you know the parents?

I don't have any other purple x henryi type crosses - need to make more this year. I slipped up last year and didn't make some crosses I had intended of this nature.

One thing I wonder about this is if the henryi type plant used in the cross has much white in it if it will dilute the purple/pink from the trumpet? It seems like we have to work to concentrate the pink/purple in trumpets and any backcross with something lighter tends to dilute the color, right? That was why I did the cross onto a dark orange rosthornii/henryi type. I need to cross onto my 'Ypsilanti' with the dark purple trumpet. I tried the cross a few times in the last few years and didn't get seed so I need to make a more concerted effort on this...
Name: della
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dellac
Mar 27, 2017 8:15 PM CST
Can I join the club? Hilarious! I'm dead keen on this... but waving my watering can around I accidentally snapped off a promising pod I had set in that direction this summer! Rolling on the floor laughing D'Oh! Sighing!
Name: Joe
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Mar 27, 2017 8:17 PM CST
Patrick, interestingly enough I got the Henryi hybrid as L.henryi from B&D lilies in fall of 2014. It only had one twisted bloom in 15. Next year it came up as a nice tall and strong plant with this great bloom. I realized then that it was not a normal L. Henryi. I recently contacted B&D to find out what it could be. I was told it was likely in a batch of seedling Henryi that they bought from someone and was not picked out with the rogues, as the foliage looks like Henryi. Long story short it appears to be a lucky draw for me and can't be traced. That said, it appears to be a division 6 hybrid to me. The leaves are a little beefy so there is a slim possibility there could be oriental blood in there. It is very fertile both ways too.
I also have seeds going of L Henryi citrinum x summer palace going now so we will see.
Name: Joe
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Mar 27, 2017 8:21 PM CST
Oh and the Henryi hybrid has been fertile with trumpets and Henryi type. I put some OT pollen on and was not rewarded. Carte Blanche is a pretty fertile tetra and it didn't work.
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dellac said:Can I join the club? Hilarious! I'm dead keen on this... but waving my watering can around I accidentally snapped off a promising pod I had set in that direction this summer! Rolling on the floor laughing D'Oh! Sighing!


Ouch. Must be frustrating!

I'd like to join in, too. Increasing the colour range in the henryi-style blooms would be an interesting goal to work towards. Thanks to @vanozzi, I've now got some Aurelian material to start from, too, although no pink-purple trumpets or Aurelians at present.
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Name: Patrick
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Mar 28, 2017 6:23 AM CST
Joebass said:Patrick, interestingly enough I got the Henryi hybrid as L.henryi from B&D lilies in fall of 2014. It only had one twisted bloom in 15. Next year it came up as a nice tall and strong plant with this great bloom. I realized then that it was not a normal L. Henryi. I recently contacted B&D to find out what it could be. I was told it was likely in a batch of seedling Henryi that they bought from someone and was not picked out with the rogues, as the foliage looks like Henryi. Long story short it appears to be a lucky draw for me and can't be traced. That said, it appears to be a division 6 hybrid to me. The leaves are a little beefy so there is a slim possibility there could be oriental blood in there. It is very fertile both ways too.
I also have seeds going of L Henryi citrinum x summer palace going now so we will see.


Joebass said:Oh and the Henryi hybrid has been fertile with trumpets and Henryi type. I put some OT pollen on and was not rewarded. Carte Blanche is a pretty fertile tetra and it didn't work.


Joe - thanks for the additional information on your Aurelian - it looks great from the pictures. Good to know on the fertility - I think that is a great indicator that it is not likely OT.
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
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Mar 29, 2017 5:22 PM CST
auratum said:

One of the things I want to work on is crossing a dark purple trumpet with henryi/rosthornii. I think it would be really interesting to get a pink/purple henryi shaped flower with dark nectaries...




And then----where would you go with it, cross it to a white intermediate Aurelian with sunburst flower form? And then work back and forth to develop something similar to a pink version of Woodriff's White Henryi? Smiling That, too, would be nice.

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Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
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Mar 29, 2017 6:31 PM CST
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In response to Joe's earlier post.

Joe, this plant's got a lots and lots of potential. I can tell it's a fairly early stage non complex cross and with your pollen info regarding Cart Blanc, it most likely is an uncontaminated Div. VI hybrid with genetics that are more toward the henryi side than the trumpet side (late blooming and flower form, etc.). I would predict that the offspring of crosses made to this plant would result in tight groups with strong resemblance to their parents. It's a darn shame you don't live down the road so you could come here and take daily walk throughs and grab some Div. VI pollen. You have the vision, I can only supply you with pictures and pollen. Since I believe yours to be a late bloomer, we'll have a long season to collect pollen---from the earliest trumpet forms to the latest sunburst forms. Smiling Thumbs up
Name: Joe
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Mar 29, 2017 7:51 PM CST
Lorn, thanks for your comments. I have some seedlings going with your lime green pollen. Thank you for your offer. Maybe one day I can visit your garden. Probably one of the best division 6 gardens in the US. That said it blooms right around late June early July to start. If you recall I gave you pollen at last years NALS and the picture is from July 1st. I don't know if you consider that early or late. Maybe this year you can send some pink trumpet pollen with the red reverses....

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