Plant ID forum: Angelica?

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myrrh_man
Mar 27, 2017 5:29 PM CST
Hello,
I harvested this plant in the woods near Portland, OR, yesterday, believing it was a type of angelica (maybe A. hendersonii). But I am too nervous to do anything with it because everything I've read says that it's extremely easy to confuse angelica with water hemlock – eek!

There are two features that make me think it's angelica:
1. The smell – I use dried angelica root in alcohol formulations at work. This has that same sweet/savory/celery-y/minty aroma. But I don't know what water hemlock smells like – is it also similar in aroma?

2. The veins in the leaves run from the midrib to the points of the teeth, not to the points between the teeth. I've read that this rules out hemlock, but somewhere deep in the internet I read that this is not necessarily the case.

Please help. Thank you!
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Mar 27, 2017 7:14 PM CST
I don't think its Angelica or Water Hemlock.

It would have been good to see the whole plant in one piece. I'm having a hard time putting it back together.
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myrrh_man
Mar 28, 2017 11:28 AM CST
DaisyI said:I don't think its Angelica or Water Hemlock.

It would have been good to see the whole plant in one piece. I'm having a hard time putting it back together.


Thanks for the response. I wish I had taken a picture of it in the ground. I've actually pictured a few specimens, so don't worry about piecing all of the pictures together.

On a related note to visual identification, can you tell me if water hemlock smells very much like angelica?
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greene
Mar 28, 2017 11:39 AM CST
If you end up with a horrible rash maybe your plant is a Giant Hogweed/Heracleum mantegassianum.

http://www.maine.gov/dacf/php/...

http://extension.oregonstate.e...

By the way...do you own the property where you dug up the plant?

Jumping on my soapbox here...
You should never take a plant from the wild without permission. Some plants are protected by law. And...since you don't even know what the plant is, why did you take it? Next time, please just take photographs, post the pictures for identification - no harm to the plant or to you.
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myrrh_man
Mar 28, 2017 12:20 PM CST
greene said:If you end up with a horrible rash maybe your plant is a Giant Hogweed/Heracleum mantegassianum.

By the way...do you own the property where you dug up the plant?

Jumping on my soapbox here...
You should never take a plant from the wild without permission. Some plants are protected by law. And...since you don't even know what the plant is, why did you take it? Next time, please just take photographs, post the pictures for identification - no harm to the plant or to you.


Please do not assume that I am recklessly pulling plants out of the ground without concern for protected species. I don't have a positive identification of this plant, true, but I know it to be one of a small number of plants, none of which are protected here. The rule that you should "never take a plant from the wild without permission" is not one that I do not follow. I forage minimally and ethically from the wild as a normal, healthy, human practice. Many public lands around here do not have offices where you can get permits; I do so when I can, but I use discretion elsewhere. Would you castigate a native American for failing to obtain permission from a governmental agency before collecting plants from the wild?
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Bonehead
Mar 28, 2017 1:32 PM CST
Warm welcome Myrrh Man! I grow Angelica, but it is not the native form that can be found in the PNW. The leaves on my A. archangelica are not nearly as shiny as those you posted, but that could just be the difference between the native and cultivated plants. I am not familiar with hemlock, but would be extra cautious if that might be an option. You might check with whatever university in Oregon is strongest in agriculture. I have good luck with the Washington State University web site, as well as the King County website - both are good resources re native plants in Washington (and by extension may be useful for Oregon, plants don't respect state lines).

No judgment from me re harvesting in the wild. I regularly scoop plants from ditches, knowing that the common practice here is to mechanically clear the ditches down to bare earth at least once per season (with no attempt to save or replant). I'm also fortunate to have a 10 acre woodlot which provides me with lots of natives I move up to my garden beds.

Back to your plant, let us know if/when you get it positively ID'd.

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greene
Mar 28, 2017 3:33 PM CST
myrrh_man said:
The rule that you should "never take a plant from the wild without permission" is not one that I do not follow....

and
...Would you castigate a native American for failing to obtain permission from a governmental agency before collecting plants from the wild?


The first part of this quote appears to be a triple negative so I am lost without a clue. Do you? Don't you? I do not know. Shrug!

For the second part of the quote,
I'll go look up the word 'castigate' Blinking Confused a little later but as far as talking about Native Americans...this site does not allow us to get involved with politics, so I'll not answer your question. I regularly attend the Pow Wows in my local area as an invited guest. One of my best friends in Connecticut was (the late) Chief Big Eagle Aurelius Piper so I guess I have plenty of respect for the people who were here on this land before me.

I had thought you wanted an ID for a plant that you had harvested in the wild and did not recognize. Sorry that I was no help and that you now have ruffled feathers because of my attempt to answer your question. I will step aside and leave this discussion to others. I tip my hat to you.

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