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Name: Jared Nicholes
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jnicholes
Apr 3, 2017 11:06 AM CST
Hi Everyone,

I wanted to ask something, I have two grape vines and a berry bush in our backyard that need pruning. I was just wondering, is there a proper way to prune these plants? If so, how? I attached pictures.


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The berry bush I am not sure if it is a raspberry or blackberry.

Any help will be appreciated,

Jared
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Xeramtheum
Apr 3, 2017 11:21 AM CST
Hi Jared,

Check out Youtube .. there are lots and lots of videos on pruning grapes and berries.
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Name: Jared Nicholes
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jnicholes
Apr 3, 2017 11:41 AM CST
Hi there!

Unfortunately, My laptop has a control setting that does not allow YouTube. I cant change it. Theres just some stuff on YouTube me and my family do NOT want to see, thats all. Is there a way to explain it?

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Xeramtheum
Apr 3, 2017 12:06 PM CST
No problem .. the following site has step by step for grapes and berries.

http://www.provident-living-to...
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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Apr 3, 2017 12:48 PM CST
Berries produce on last years growth.
Grapes produce on last years growth, pruning depends on variety of grape.
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Name: Jared Nicholes
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jnicholes
Apr 3, 2017 1:22 PM CST
Hi!

Thank you for the link, @Xeramtheum, I looked it over and it is exactly what I need for the grapes. My last question is, does this pruning principle also apply to the berries by my fence?

@Philipwonel, I am not sure what kind of grapes they are, to be honest, they were here when I moved in.

Thanks!

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Weedwhacker
Apr 3, 2017 1:37 PM CST
There's information on growing and pruning grapes, raspberries, blackberries, etc. right here on NGA, in the Learning Library:

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greene
Apr 3, 2017 3:04 PM CST
I used to live with an Italian family and helped to prune their vines. Basically, we removed about 90% of the growth leaving the main trunk of the vine and just a few select smaller vines.

Since yours is totally overgrown the easiest thing to do would be just hack it back to a few feet above the ground. That way everything that grows will be "new growth". You will sacrifice one year of grapes but will have a more positive outcome in each following year.

http://modernfarmer.com/2016/0...
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Xeramtheum
Apr 3, 2017 4:00 PM CST
Jared, if you look to the right of the info on grapes at that link you'll see there are more links for pruning your berries - it's below the 'growing fruit' section.

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Name: Jared Nicholes
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jnicholes
Apr 3, 2017 4:07 PM CST
Hi there!

Oops. Didnt see that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Jared
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Xeramtheum
Apr 3, 2017 7:00 PM CST
You're most welcome!
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dyzzypyxxy
Apr 3, 2017 7:56 PM CST
Just be careful before you prune the raspberries, because they might already be growing. Only take off dead parts if you can see green buds or leaves on the canes. Cut above any green buds. Take out dead canes at the ground level. (you can find out if they're dead by scratching the cane with your thumbnail. If there's no green under the brown bark, it's dead.)

I just got home from Salt Lake, not that far south of you, and my daughter's raspberries already have good sized leaves.
Elaine

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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Apr 4, 2017 9:18 AM CST
I live in Sn Joaquin valley. Grapes and raisins everywhere. Selma, the rasin capitol of world 20 minutues away. Do i know about growing grapes. Whistling
Grapes grow on last years growth.
You wany 4 healthy canes, about 3 or 4 foot long, 7 or 8 buds each, per vine.
Last years canes, healthy, about the size of your thumb.
You'll have to adopt this to your arbor.
You dont have to cut off all the old stuff, and lose all your shade.
Just clean the rest all up. Thumbs up

Cutting off at ground, starting over ??????? is crazed ๐Ÿ˜ฎ๐Ÿ˜ญ.
Sorry greene.

There are a few varieties that grow on spurs. Spurs are an inch to a few inches long, they only grow the grapes. Those varities, you cut everything off but the spurs.
There ya go !
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Name: Jared Nicholes
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jnicholes
Apr 4, 2017 10:14 AM CST
Hi there!

Is this good enough?


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Jared
Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Apr 4, 2017 12:00 PM CST
Jared ๐Ÿ˜
1st pic, looks great ! Thumbs up

2nd pic, dont look like you did anything with.
Those in 2nd pic.
Leave big stumps alone. Cut everything else off , except the 4 canes as i mentioned in my earlier post.
Dont be afraid of cutting to much off. Grapevines grow alot in one season. The growth , you have there, is probably one seasons growth.
I'm excited to see how they do for you. ๐Ÿ˜

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greene
Apr 4, 2017 12:31 PM CST
Before and after - they look almost the same.

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Doesn't look like to took off enough. You really won't hurt the grapevine if you prune a bit more.

Oh, and I never suggested cutting all the way to the ground, thank you very much Philip. Whistling

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Name: Jared Nicholes
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jnicholes
Apr 4, 2017 12:48 PM CST
Hi there!

Well, Looks like I got a bit more pruning to do! That is ok, though. I need stuff to do until I get a new job.

I did take off a lot yesterday and today, though, I have a HUGE pile of trimmings.

Jared
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Bonehead
Apr 4, 2017 12:57 PM CST
I wouldn't cut the grapes back to the ground myself. I'd just cut them back hard to the main junctions, leaving about 4-6" of the fruiting canes. My general rule of thumb is I don't leave anything smaller in diameter than a thick marking pen, and those I cut back as noted above. As the canes grow, I keep them pruned back to about eye height for me - otherwise they'd grow down to the ground. For what it's worth, I have 'missed' my grape pruning window in the past and then just kept all the canes pruned to eye level (it was one big jumbled mess!) and didn't notice any significant change in harvest. I have 5 different varieties of grapes, all NOIDs, growing on a ladder trellis. Some are noticeably more robust than others. They can withstand heavy pruning. Here's a photo when they are just putting on growth and a second one when they are more lush.

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I have a NOID raspberry patch and here's how I prune them. I cut to the ground canes that fruited last year (they are brown and dead looking). Then I cut all the new canes to eye level for me. I keep them behind a 2-wire support to clearly identify their limit and to give them a bit of support. They are against a 3-board wood fence on the back side. I know the commercial growers do a fancy bend and tie-off, but I tried that once and found it more trouble than it was worth. I get plenty of berries with my lazy method. I couldn't find a photo of just the berry patch, but in this pic they are along the back fence behind the purple bench, over-run by creeping buttercups and crab grass.

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Apr 4, 2017 6:20 PM CST
Deb, you have a lovely, well maintained garden!
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Weedwhacker
Apr 4, 2017 7:13 PM CST
Deb your grapevines look beautiful! (as does the rest of your garden Smiling )

I have 6 grapevines, planted in 2012. The 3 winters after we planted the grapes were unusually bad and they had to grow back up from the ground (but presumably had been working on their root systems). Last year I decided to just let them run amok and grow as much as they could, and it was the first year that we actually had grapes. Unfortunately, the grapes were invaded by wasps (followed by flies) Grumbling . This past winter was very favorable so they are looking pretty out of control at the moment and I have a good bit of pruning to do, but have high hopes for actually harvesting something this summer! Crossing Fingers!

If nothing else, I should be able to make a nice grapevine wreath or two by the time I get done with the pruning! Smiling
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