Plant ID forum: What Exactly Is It And Should I Keep It

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Apr 8, 2017 11:40 AM CST
I had a small one of these at the last house, I lazily referred to it as a baby rhododendron but I don't know what the real name is; that plant was very weird, bloomed sometimes two and three times a year, sometimes a couple of weeks before Christmas, in Jersey!

There are two of these on the side of my house which faces north; soil is very rocky. There's a Japanese Barberry there also which is coming out ASAP, and I'm wondering if these two are just a lost cause, they look like they're growing toward the light, in a panic, and even though the branches snap, they are green inside, but if I prune all the wood without leaves or buds on it, it's going to look really pathetic. If it had a chance at coming back, I wouldn't care, but I'm thinking these were planted in the wrong place. Should I just have all of it dug out and replace it with hosta? Thanks.

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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Apr 8, 2017 2:42 PM CST
Abbey : Howdy and Welcome!
Sounds like you like them. 😁
I'd stake them up. To train them up straight, and prune them to shape.
And, remember this, severe pruning promotes rapid growth. Butt ! Prune no more than 30% off. Thumbs up
You'll be fine and dandy .
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dyzzypyxxy
Apr 8, 2017 2:57 PM CST
They look like they might be azaleas, but it's hard to tell from your pictures. Could you give us a close-up of the leaves, please? Also looks like they're about to bloom (white/pinkish things on the ends of a few branches) so a close-up of a bloom would really help a LOT to ID this plant.

Also, do NOT prune until after the plant blooms if you want to keep it. Who knows, some TLC (extra water, a wheelbarrowful of compost, a sprinkle of fertilizer) and it might turn into a really beautiful plant.
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Name: Abbey
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Garden10
Apr 8, 2017 3:27 PM CST
Hi Philip, thank you, that's about the best avatar I've ever seen Smiling

Hi Elaine, I tried to take better ones, it's windy out today and the plant shakes. In order to zoom in as much as I could to get some detail, I think the perspective may be off, these look to me like the plant is a lot bigger than it is -- the buds are probably the size of large capers, the biggest ones, and they are photographing redder than they are, the ones on the one bush are decidedly a muddy olive green, if you will, and smaller. The one like this I had at the other house was lilac/lavender in color, and they really do look exactly like small rhododendron, the buds have that artichoke look to them, the azaleas I was used to didn't have buds like these, but I know there are other varieties.

So here we go:
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What concerns me about the pruning, if that's the result, is that most of the branches without leaves or buds are sort of underneath. And the main stalk is thick, like sapling thick, and I couldn't stake that to grow upward, it would crack. Thank you both for wanting to help.
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Calif_Sue
Apr 8, 2017 3:32 PM CST

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Moved over to Plant ID forum so when the OP is satisfied, it can be marked as Solved.
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Garden10
Apr 8, 2017 3:37 PM CST
Sorry Sue, I'll get the hang of it before Christmas! Rolling my eyes.
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Calif_Sue
Apr 8, 2017 3:40 PM CST

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Oh not a problem, in fact, Ask a Question even states that one can ask for a plant ID. It's easy to move over and more members frequent the ID forum plus you have that option to marked it as 'Identified' in here, that's not an option on the AAQ one. Thumbs up
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Silversurfer
Apr 8, 2017 4:24 PM CST
These are Rhododendrons.
There are many many species as well as named cultivars.
Some are tiny dwarf forms...others can reach tree proportions.

The flower colours many be white, pink, red , purple, orange and yellow
Leaves too can vary in colour, shape, size and texture.
Some stems can be really hairy..others smooth.

Without the flowers it is impossible to name them from just pics.
Even Rhodo experts standing infront of the actually plant can disagree as to what an accurate name is.

Most big Rhodos will probably regrow from the base if you cut them right down to ground level.
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Garden10
Apr 9, 2017 7:08 AM CST
Thank you Silversurfer!! So "baby rhododendron" wasn't so far off the mark after all!

And the strangest thing happened when I read your post, I had a flashback -- when I was in high school, we had a rhodo that had grown too stalky for its space, was blocking a kitchen window, and I don't remember who taught me this, but it was as you said, cut the thing down and it doesn't matter if it looks like who did it and ran, it's going to come back. So I did and one of my manifold abusive relatives ripped me two new ones. Within less than two years, it was gorgeous, full and rounded with dense leaves and beautiful flowers. That one was, I think, rhododendron catambiense.

I am going to cut them this morning, that great link you gave me said early spring, and I'm going to put an azalea on either side, one replacing the Japanese barberry -- a local nursery has a great sale on azaleas this week, but it may be too early to put them in here. Anyone, they'll all love an acid soil. If I'm getting any of this wrong, PLEASE tell me. And also, these are maybe a foot and a half out from the foundation of the house. I read somewhere, and it stuck in my mind, that you should not have mulch up against the foundation of your home -- true? If so, I should just mulch around the roots of the plants and keep the distance from the foundation? Thank You!
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Silversurfer
Apr 9, 2017 8:41 AM CST
Go for it.
Rhodo's are very shallow rooted so should not affect foundations.
Mulch...leaf mould...yes lots ...all over the area where there are roots. But not up the trunk. They hate the roots to dry out.
I do not know your construction methods... but here I would never put soil/mulch over the waterproof membrane just above soil level.
Rhodo's are very happy in dappled shade. Most need acidic soil.

The correct name for Azalea is also Rhododendron.

We used to grow many of them .
If you have time it helps to remove the dead flowers after they go dry and brown.

Look for special ones to extend the season..ones with beautiful leaves.

http://www.rarefindnursery.com...

http://vaxtia.se/media/catalog...

Some Rhodo flower very early others in the summer...by planting different ones you can extend the flowering season.

Some smell fab...eg .Rhodo luteum.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...
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Philipwonel
Apr 9, 2017 10:08 AM CST
Rhododendron and Azalea. Same thing.... Wow !😁! New one on me.
I just love it when i learn something NEW ! Hurray! NOW !πŸ‘Ί! If i just remember that ###
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Calif_Sue
Apr 9, 2017 10:50 AM CST

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Here is our Rhododendron database, we only have just over 2000 listed and only 1500+ images so far.
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Garden10
Apr 9, 2017 11:08 AM CST
@CalifSue -- is THAT all? Let me know when you folks get serious... Sticking tongue out

Philip, EVERYONE knows that when you learn something new, you write it down so you don't forget it, and then you forget where you wrote it! Thumbs up When you think about it, it makes a great deal of sense, but it never even occurred to me before that azaleas are rhododendrons.

Silversurfer, I didn't take anything you said seriously:


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Can't believe I had the strength, and got it done before the Yankee game goes on! I took them down low, I have two paper leaf bags of stuff that I have to haul to the town plant matter dump, wherever that is. I did the best I could with what I had; I mixed a cup of white vinegar with about a gallon and a half of water and gave them a treat, I put leaf stuff around them and I covered them with mulch, but with a bare ring around the trunk -- I use coir, and I could put a smidge more here, but it has to be reconstituted, and this was the last I had on hand. But I think they feel relieved!

Those rhodendron luteum are exquisite! I couldn't find anything around here as far as a nursery that sells them, so I checked my online sources and Jung has something called Lemon Lights Azalea which looks close, but they say it needs careful care, and I just can't make that kind of promise at this point! But we'll see, I need to get that blasted Barberry thing out of there, when I was cleaning up, there was an old, dry thorn stalk from it, and let's just say I won't be doing any hitchhiking any time soon Grumbling

Thank you so very, very much for all your good help and advice!
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Philipwonel
Apr 9, 2017 12:36 PM CST
Good job Abbey. On your rhods/azaleas. Thumbs up

I agree bout writing down and losing it. Rolling on the floor laughing ya had me cracking up. Thumbs up

But are all rhods, azaleas?
My dearly departed brother use to tell me : All catus are succulents ! Butt ! Not all succulents are catus !
Weird ! Huh ?
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Silversurfer
Apr 9, 2017 1:39 PM CST


Good work Abbey.

Eeeck! Please do not water with vinegar again...hope that doesn't kill them.

Acidic soil is to do with Ph levels. See link scroll down.......Rather difficult to explain in a short answer.
eg Chalk soils are the opposite to acidic.
Lemons are acidic but putting lemon juice on the soil doesn't make the soil acidic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Mulch...needs to go as far as house in a larger circle. Needs to be about 4" deep.
Compost / rotted leaves/composted bark/seaweed /coir will do.
See link..

http://www.mortonarb.org/files...

https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/...

It will help to keep weeds down and keep moisture in the ground for the roots.

Yes...All Azaleas are Rhododendrons.
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greene
Apr 9, 2017 1:49 PM CST
Before you dump the trash you could take some cuttings, maybe a few dozen cuttings, and try to root them.
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sooby
Apr 9, 2017 1:53 PM CST
Diluted vinegar does work to lower soil pH temporarily. Somewhere around a teaspoon per litre is what I have seen recommended for rhodos. You have to repeat it every-so-often. I wouldn't do it if the pH is already significantly acidic though, you do need to know your soil pH before messing with it. If the pH does need lowering (to make it more acidic), the longer term solution is to use elemental sulfur but that takes a while to work. Vinegar is herbicidal in large amounts but it does work to lower soil pH in more diluted amounts. I've used it on daylilies that preferred a more acidic soil than I have and it was effective in making micronutrients more available.
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Garden10
Apr 9, 2017 4:11 PM CST
Silversurfer said:
Yes...All Azaleas are Rhododendrons.

@Philipwonel Well, so much for your Zen riddle!! Smiling

@Silversurfer I've used that vinegar solution for years, since I stopped using Miracid. Gives the iron in the soil a jump start or something. I use the vinegar straight as an herbicide, mostly on masonry and in the back of a garage. I don't think these poor things had much attention from the previous owner. I'm going to have to buy more mulch, I was able to reconstitute about eight or nine blocks with just rainwater over the last two weeks, but the forecast this week doesn't offer that luxury to me -- back to tap!

@greene Even if they took, I wouldn't know what to do with them. But I have it on good authority that people in this area go to the local town vegetation dumps looking for stuff to do just that this time of year. We don't have any kind of refuse pick up here courtesy of a town or county -- I pay a private contractor to pick up my household trash and recycling, and everyone who doesn't try to sneak stuff onto county or town land brings their stuff to these areas.

Can't thank you all enough for helping me, please keep an eye out for me in the forums, this was just the first of many questions I'll have! Thank You!



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Garden10
Apr 18, 2017 9:46 AM CST
Just wanted to post a pic with a shout out to you all, particularly @Silversurfer I've done the best I can with the bed, I've edged it with rocks and small logs I found on the property, and they're blooming!! Thanks again!! Smiling


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"Every now and then I leave the book on the seat and go and have a refreshing potter among my flower beds from which I return greatly benefited, and with a more just conception of what is worth bothering about, and what is not." The Solitary Summer -- Elizabeth von Arnim

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