Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Species and varieties of semps with webs or cilia that do well in super wet wint

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Name: Jo Ann
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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ricos
Apr 9, 2017 9:52 PM CST
I would like to start this discussion so we can all report our experiences of this extremely wet winter with our webby (arachnoideum) and fuzzy or downy (ciliatum) type Sempervivum before we forget what we lost and fill in the space with something else.. for instance I lost most of my PekInese, King George and Hausmanii but not Valanovski, arachnoideum tomentosum or barbatulatum Hookerii. . I'm going to have a closer look tomorrow and should have more to report.
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Apr 9, 2017 10:27 PM CST
Jo Ann, your semps were protected a little or no protection and left to tuff it out? Some people's semps are out in the open, and some people's are closer to the house or protected in some way. Were Your Perished and survivors all placed in one location?

Majority of my Semps sit in flats on the balcony. Most of my Fuzzy semps that perished had moldy and mushy leaves. They were not subjected to the rain except for occasional watering. Even then, they got leaf rot. Maybe the soil did not drain enough. Maybe the low temps or high humidity or lack of sun/too many overcast days or a combo of any of those added to their demise. Of my fuzzy semps, Downland Queen, Aymon Correvon, Engles, Oley, Titiana, and P. Zoftic, suffered but not enough that I lost all members of each. I had at least one or two survivors of each cultivar. I think I have survivors because I started doing a regular check on the semps to tweeze out the moldy leaves and add crushed rock under the rosettes

The non arach , non fuzzy semps also suffered, but won't list those.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 10, 2017 10:52 AM CST

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From Kevin:
JungleShadows said:Joann,

Shirley's Joy, Ann Christy, the ciliosums and some, but not all of the cantabricums came through the winter the worst for me. Several of the Pacifics also suffered which surprised me as they were bred in this climate. Pacific Feather Power and several of the velvety Pacifics were very damaged. This was a HORRIBLE year though.

Of the pure cobwebs, Denise's Cobweb and Shampoo look very good.

Kevin

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tarev
Apr 10, 2017 11:13 AM CST
I grow very few semps here, but this past winter has been really rainy and cold here. My arachs did well, lots of new babies right now. They seemed to have enjoyed our weather. I do know our lowest temps did not go below 30F much this time. Mine are just in containers, lots of chicken grit as top dressing, and though under the skies, maybe the house protected it too from the worst of the cold winds.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 10, 2017 11:39 AM CST

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This last winter has had record amounts of rain. This coupled with the freezing and thawing that took place have been difficult for some of our semps. The ones that suffered the most damage still seem to have enough left to rebuild a colony.
In this thread we are talking about the fuzzy, webb or velvety types of semps.

Webbed/tufted with cilia that did well for me this winter/spring:
Aaliya
Allison
Ann Marie
Ali
Cobweb Buttons
arach f/Val Miniera
Stansfieldii
Ashes of Roses
Baronesse
Butterfly
Candy Floss
Denice's Cobweb
Duke of Windsor
Frothy Coffee
Gamma
Icicle
Jade Rose
Koko Flanel
Maigret
Martin #1
Menglehoef
Mike
Mona Lisa
New Rhumba
Pacific Plum Fuzzy
Piliferum
pittonii
Princess Little
Red Plusche
Rosa Maedchen
Shauna
Silver Angel
Silver Baby
Silver Cup
Silver Fan
Silver Thaw
Silver Web
speciosum
Spinner
Spring
Super Dome
Vanille
Zarubianum


Webbed/tufted with cilia that have damage but are reviving:
Artist
Boule De Neige
Corsair
Opitz
Pfalzer Nebel
Shirley's Joy
Smit's Seedling


Velvety/fuzzy semps that did well:
Aymon Correvon
Hot Boyz
Bella Donna
Cleveland Morgan
Lynn's Choice
Oley
Pacific Spring Frost
Pink Puff
Soft Line


Velvety/fuzzy ones suffered greatly this winter, some will recover:
Downland Queen
Pacific Mauve
Pacific Rim
Pacific Velveteen
Pink Charm
Whirl-i-gig

I hope these lists are helpful
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Name: Julia
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Apr 10, 2017 1:51 PM CST
I'm not going to comment because I keep mine covered so really not good examples.
Bev, i do have a suggestion for you. If my memory is good I think your balcony has walls on both sides and I think some of the mold problem would be lack of air movement. Maybe a box fan out there. I use one in my greenhouse to move air. I could be wrong.
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Name: Karen
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Apr 10, 2017 1:57 PM CST
I think a fan might be helpful. I have much better luck when I run a fan in my greenhouse. I get less mold, and less insect problems. The insects seem to hate the air movement.
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Name: Lynn
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Apr 10, 2017 3:51 PM CST

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ricos said:Kevin Thanks for your input on the arachnoids and other fuzzies. I have had the same experience with Shirley's Joy. My experience has been that the more webs or cilia the plant has is in direct relation to its inability to survive the wet. My theory is that the webs and cilia hold the water next to the plant which causes it to rot or freeze and then rot. Ironically I went to look at these today to at least start a list an i got rained out Rolling on the floor laughing A huge downpour. The rest of this week is going to be pretty busy for me getting ready for the Hardy Plant Society sale on Sat and Sun. It would be so fun to see some

Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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Apr 10, 2017 10:59 PM CST
Julia, thanks for the suggestion!
Name: Paul
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cahdg6891
Apr 12, 2017 11:33 PM CST
We have gotten a lot of rain here too FINALLY. Wild flowers everywhere for the first time in years Hurray! for cobwebs and fuzzy ones, these have done well for me here even with all the rain.

Arachnoideums

- tomentosum
- 'Clairchin'
- 'Cebenese'
- arachnoideum f/ Gorge de Daluis
- arachnoideum f/ Abruzzi
- arachnoideum f/ Val Miniera

Fuzzy wuzzies ( Rolling on the floor laughing )

- ciliosum
- ciliosum v. borisii
- 'Hey Hey'
- ciliosum f/ Ali Botush

I was just repotting a bunch today and am sure there are more but their names evade me at the moment Hilarious!
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Name: Jo Ann
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Apr 13, 2017 1:40 AM CST
Just popping in for a moment.I think there is some really valuable info being presented here. Your list is amazing Lynn.
Fredegar is a very reliable winter performer for me outside in the wet. so is A. speciosum. I kept some Pacific Feather Power out of the rain this year and they are beautiful while the ones that were out in the rain are dead. It is evident to me now that my soil mix does not drain fast enough for the amount of rain that we have had this winter. (perhaps straight pea gravel might work :lol:) Interesting to hear from the California folks that they have had the rain but not freezing temps and their "fuzzys" seem to be doing ok. Hmmm (We need an emoji for "I'm pondering that one") Did I get that right? Perhaps we will soon get some reports from places where they are just coming out from under the snow. I would sure like to go to Europe and see the species in their native habitat! Thanks everyone. I'm "over and out" till after the H.P.S.O. sale.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 13, 2017 8:31 AM CST

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Thank you Chad for adding your list.

Were is that sale Jo Ann?
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Apr 13, 2017 9:59 AM CST
Lynn, it's in Portland, the Hortlandia Plant/ArtSale. Was going to go but too much to do at home. Maybe next year.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 13, 2017 10:24 AM CST

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Thank you Bev.
I also have to much going on. If it had been closer I might have gone for an hour.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Apr 13, 2017 3:44 PM CST
valleylynn said:Thank you Chad for adding your list.

Were is that sale Jo Ann?


Paul, Lynn means you... She gets us mixed up sometime Sticking tongue out
Good to have lists from different areas!! Thanks Paul Chad... Hilarious!
I tip my hat to you.

Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 13, 2017 4:27 PM CST

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*Blush*
Greg knows me so well, I really do have trouble remember names. Sorry about that Paul. And I love your Fuzzy Wuzzies comment. Big Grin
Name: Greg Colucci
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Apr 13, 2017 4:54 PM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing Lynn in that way you remind me of my mom, got used to having to correct the name she was saying when telling a story or talking about something Rolling on the floor laughing
I tip my hat to you.

Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 14, 2017 10:49 AM CST

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You should have heard me when I was calling one of our four children when they were growing up. Sometimes one of the family pet names would end up in the list. Rolling my eyes.
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Apr 14, 2017 12:42 PM CST
Not the same but being called the wrong name could be jarring...I had a young nephew bump into me once and he called me Grandpa. I realize that my facial moisturizer wasn't working for me... Sad
Name: Lynn
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Apr 14, 2017 12:45 PM CST

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