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Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Apr 10, 2017 9:49 PM CST
I am having trouble submitting my new garlic cultivar.
I try to proceed to step 2 and the error message is that I need to submit a website varifying the garlic exists. I put the website that I purchased the seed garlic from. It is not accepting that. What shall I do to submit my new garlic?
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Calif_Sue
Apr 10, 2017 10:53 PM CST

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I can take a look, what plant is it and what URL?
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Apr 10, 2017 10:55 PM CST

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Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Apr 10, 2017 11:03 PM CST
The plant is Armenian garlic.
The URL is www.getgarlic.com or www.store.keeneorganics.com or www.gourmetgarlicgardens.com
I have not had to post a link proving a plant exists before.
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Calif_Sue
Apr 10, 2017 11:14 PM CST

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For Genus: Allium
Cultivar: Armenian
Common Name: Garlic

And I had to search on each of those sites for a link to that particular plant, that's what is needed.
so one was http://www.gourmetgarlicgarden...

The URL is a new feature to help ensure that these are legitimate plants.
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Apr 11, 2017 12:43 AM CST
Yeah, I noticed that URL requirement the last time I submitted a new plant. Kind of off-putting for me. I just go with whatever tag I got from the nursery and don't even think to check to be sure it is legit - so much on the internet is suspect, I have no idea how to determine what is a trusted site. I find the Catalog of Life site really hard to navigate so it's off my radar. No offense intended, but this added step will likely discourage me from submitting new plants. Perhaps I'm lazy. Oh well.
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plantladylin
Apr 11, 2017 7:01 AM CST
I think everyone wants as accurate a database as possible;I find it very easy to do a google search for the name of a plant, then copy and paste links for the approval by the database administrators but I realize that I have more free time than many people might and I like googling and reading about plants. Green Grin!
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Bonehead
Apr 11, 2017 7:17 AM CST
And I don't even recognize 'googling' as a verb...and then when I do search online, I am always a bit suspect about the information I find. So, nah, seems a bit convoluted to me. I'll stick to uploading photos and proposing edits to the data details - usually direct from the plant tag and/or my garden reference books. I do agree that accuracy is important, but how does one reconcile conflicting 'facts' from different sources? I find this particularly true for zone tolerance and mature size of a plant.
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KentPfeiffer
Apr 11, 2017 7:19 AM CST

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If a person can't, or simply doesn't want to, do the research to figure out if a plant name is valid, that's fair. The moderators can do the work for you, However, it isn't asking much of you, in return, to provide a starting point for that work. That's really all the url requirement is about.
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plantladylin
Apr 11, 2017 7:58 AM CST
Yes, there can be conflicting and convoluted information when one googles for anything on the internet. I also refer to the few plant books that I have and at times I find conflicting information in them as well ... what with scientists changing plants from one genus to another nowadays, it's a wonder anyone can keep up. It can be very frustrating with so much contradiction but I enjoy the search. Smiling
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Name: Toni Melvin
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Toni
Apr 12, 2017 1:20 PM CST
So, I wonder why the data base is not allowing the link I found and tried to submit... I may not have time for this one facet of contributing to the website.
@kentPfeiffer it may not seem like a big change of difficulty to some of you that have a good grasp on computer works *Blush* Confused
I hope I can figure this out because I have enjoyed adding to the plant data base.
I am at work now so maybe this weekend I can figure it out.
Thank you to all of you for trying to help
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Bonehead
Apr 12, 2017 1:30 PM CST
Is the URL link a requirement to complete the submittal? I don't recall as I haven't submitted a plant in a while. I do have a couple that I am still searching for in the database, but really I have no idea what web source is to be trusted over another. Most hits I get are nurseries, which is the same as taking the info direct from the plant tag to me. I can't make heads or tails out of the Catalog of Life, and I think the USDA database is mostly for natives and invasives (?) rather than bred cultivars. What web site(s) would be starting points for us non-botanists to look at? Thanks.
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Seedfork
Apr 12, 2017 1:40 PM CST
I just submitted the first plant in a long time mostly to try out the new requirement, it was very simple for me. Just copied and pasted the url in the box. I thought how could anyone object to such a simple task. However, I see things do not always go so smoothly for everyone, I have no idea what the problems might be.
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Bonehead
Apr 12, 2017 1:55 PM CST
It's not the cutting and pasting that is problematic to me, it's figuring out which web site is trustworthy. Toni did have a problem cutting and pasting her web site, perhaps she can manually enter it in to see if others can't paste that particular site for some reason?
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Seedfork
Apr 12, 2017 3:38 PM CST
I think that if the plant is listed for commercial sale, any site, then you can submit it and the higher ups will do more research and determine the authenticity of the info. That is how I understood the procedure to work.
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KentPfeiffer
Apr 12, 2017 4:22 PM CST

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Bonehead said:It's not the cutting and pasting that is problematic to me, it's figuring out which web site is trustworthy.


I'm at a bit of a loss in terms of how providing a url changes that equation at all? You aren't being asked to prove that the plant should be added to the database. A moderator or admin will ultimately figure that out. The url just provides a starting point for them to research from.

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Calif_Sue
Apr 12, 2017 6:23 PM CST

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Toni said:The plant is Armenian garlic.
The URL is www.getgarlic.com or www.store.keeneorganics.com or www.gourmetgarlicgardens.com
I have not had to post a link proving a plant exists before.


I noticed that none of the websites you list above are actual links. Shrug!
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plantladylin
Apr 12, 2017 6:37 PM CST
Here are some links to the sites that sell the Armenian Garlic that @Toni was referring to.

http://www.getgarlic.com/
http://store.keeneorganics.com...
http://www.gourmetgarlicgarden...
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Apr 12, 2017 6:53 PM CST

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I suspect the issue is the that the code which looks for URLs/links requires the http or https prefix.

www.google.com

vs

http://www.google.com
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Seedfork
Apr 12, 2017 6:58 PM CST
It seems there is some confusion between a link and a website.
This is an example of website address:
https://www.harrisseeds.com
This is a link to soft neck garlic on that website.
https://www.harrisseeds.com/pr...
In other words, you want to give not just a website that may have thousands of items, but a direct link directly to the item.
Does that help?
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