Plant ID forum: Is this viburnum odorotissumus?

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Name: Eleysha
Portland, OR USA
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Badgrasslass
Apr 16, 2017 5:16 PM CST
Hi there! My husband and I are planting a viburnum hedge and we bought 12 plants from a nursery who seemed confused about the plant we were asking for. They then said they had Sweet Viburnum they just had to get it from a neighboring wholesaler.

When we picked them up they really didn't look like viburnum odorotissimus but the purveyor assured us it was.

Can anyone tell me if this is in fact sweet viburnum before we plant these? Don't want to put the wrong plant in the ground as we selected this for its exact properties. Thank you so much!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 16, 2017 6:17 PM CST
It doesn't look like the pictures in the NGA database:

Sweet Viburnum (Viburnum odoratissimum)

Or on Google:

https://www.google.ca/search?q...

Maybe John @ViburnumValley can help
Name: Eleysha
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Badgrasslass
Apr 16, 2017 7:21 PM CST
Thanks, Sooby. That's just why we think it isn't. I even called the nursery to speak to her again to tell her it didn't look like sweet viburnum but she acted really annoyed and said it was. I just don't see how it can be. Thanks again for your help!
Name: John
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You can't have too many viburnums..
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ViburnumValley
Apr 16, 2017 9:33 PM CST
Looks a lot like Viburnum dentatum.

I don't get to enjoy Viburnum odoratissimum, so can't help you there.

You could go online and contact the nursery that produces those Proven Winners plants. They are a national concern, and they would be extremely disappointed in any purveyor of their plants that are misidentifying them - on purpose, by accident, or simply by being sloppy.

At the very least, they could identify what those plants are EXACTLY, because they track very closely where their plants go.
John
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Silversurfer
Apr 17, 2017 3:16 AM CST
It is a Viburnum sp.
Common names can lead to mega confusion.

wiki...Sweet viburnum may refer to:
Viburnum lentago, native to North America
Viburnum odoratissimum, native to Asia

We grew many Viburnum sp.
It is definitely not Viburnum odoratissimum. Our plant had leaves that were gorgeous evergreen, very glossy and shiny.

It may be Viburnum lenago....that is deciduous. Until your leaves are fully open I cannot say for sure.
See link.....

http://www.missouribotanicalga...

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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 17, 2017 4:28 AM CST
I found yet another "sweet viburnum", Viburnum awabuki:
http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/woody...
http://www.monrovia.com/plant-...

Looking at Proven Winners for Viburnum, they don't list V. odoratissimum:
https://www.provenwinners.com/...

The expanding leaves on the ID plant do look familiar to me - looking at the Proven Winners listing reminded me that we have 'Blue Muffin' here, a cultivar of the V. dentatum John mentioned, and indeed going from memory (too early for leaves here yet) it does look like that. I've grown V. lentago and I don't recall the leaves emerging as toothy as in the ID pic. Here's one of V. dentatum 'Blue Muffin':

Viburnum dentatum 'Blue Muffin'
https://www.google.ca/search?q...:
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Silversurfer
Apr 17, 2017 5:13 AM CST
sooby said:I found yet another "sweet viburnum", Viburnum awabuki:
http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/woody...
http://www.monrovia.com/plant-...


sooby...The full correct name is Viburnum odoratissimum Awabuki.
It is just a named cultivar........edited to correct ......should have put ...... variety rather than cultivar..... see post below.
It also has evergreen, glossy leaves.
The plant in Badgrasslass pics is clearly deciduous!

http://yaminacollectorsnursery...

There are many other sp of Viburnum that it might be...but without fully open leaves or better still flowers as well... it is near on impossible to narrow it down further.

Badgrasslass....If you wanted the evergreen sweet Viburnum demand that the nursery take back the 12 big plants as they are not what you asked for....and either refund your money or provide you with 12 x Viburnum odoratissimum.
You have been mis sold .



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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 17, 2017 5:31 AM CST
According to the Catalogue of Life (to which NGA conforms for botanical names) it isn't a cultivar name, it is a synonym for Viburnum odoratissimum var. awabuki (so awabuki is a variety name not a cultivar).

http://www.catalogueoflife.org...

According to my first link above "You might find this plant listed as V. awabuki, V. japonica, V. macrophyllum or V. odoratissimum var. awabuki. There appears to be considerable confusion as to what to call this plant."

Edited to add this article suggests they are quite different:
http://www.classicviburnums.co...
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 17, 2017 6:07 AM CST
Just to be clear, I'm not disagreeing that the plant is deciduous nor that it is not V. odoratissimum. The leaves, however, are very toothy which rules out quite a few Viburnum, and presumably it is also most likely to be one that is on the Proven Winners list I gave above.
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Silversurfer
Apr 17, 2017 6:34 AM CST
I have added correction to my post above from cultivar to varity.
I stand corrected ....thanks.

Agree many Viburnums can be ruled out.
However that still leaves a heck of a lot of possibilities.

Proven list of Viburnums they sell is very short and none can be descibed as "Sweet viburnum"
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 17, 2017 6:53 AM CST
Silversurfer said:

Proven list of Viburnums they sell is very short and none can be descibed as "Sweet viburnum"


Agreed, but I don't think they can use the Proven Winners pots if they aren't Proven Winners plants. You'd think there should be a label on at least some of them... But I guess the main thing is what they are not rather than what they are and I agree they don't seem to be anything that is commonly sold as "sweet viburnum".

Name: Eleysha
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Badgrasslass
Apr 17, 2017 12:36 PM CST
Thank you all so much for weighing in. Just confirms what I thought. It's hard standing up to someone when they're so firm and you're not an expert. I'll be returning them tomorrow. I'll post if I ever do find out what they actually are! Though I do have an inkling they are viburnum christom "blue muffin".

Really appreciate all of the help!!!!

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