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Apr 24, 2017 1:00 PM CST
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Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I got a message from a guy in Puerto Rico who wants to do some trading of exotic tropical plants. He sent me a photo of what is says is a plumeria, and it thinks it is native to only a very small area of Puerto Rico. This looks like no plumeria I have ever seen, with its rounded leaves. The name of this species is Plumeria krugii Urb. He says some say it is the Plumeria obtuse but he thinks otherwise, saying that the flowers and leaf-form are different.

Does anyone know anything about this plant?

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Apr 24, 2017 1:26 PM CST
Name: Carter Mayer
Houston, TX (Zone 9b)
Adeniums Tropicals Plant Identifier
I'm far from a plumeria expert (I'm barely a plumeria novice), but it looks like Plumeria krugii is considered a synonym of P. obtusa. I know it's not too unusual for many wide spread plant species to have distinct regional variations, but still be part of the same species.
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Apr 24, 2017 1:42 PM CST
Name: Stewart
Pinehurst, Texas (Zone 8b)
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I agree I did a search and found about the same thing - if you do a google image search on Plumeria Obtusa leaf, you will see someone made a photo of all the leaf shapes
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Apr 24, 2017 3:43 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
The guy said that this particular plumeria is often called an obtusa but said that he was absolutely sure it was not one and the same. He says the plant that is found in a small area of PR is found nowhere else. The petals are narrow and pointed and don't overlap. The leaves are rounded and at least in the photo that he sent me, and that I posted, the leaves look like no plumeria I have ever seen. He also said that the fragrance is unlike that of the obstusa and is stronger.

Perhaps this is a variation of the obtusa. I just don't know.
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Apr 25, 2017 1:08 PM CST
Name: kbuntu
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (Zone 13a)
Plumerias Region: Mexico
Found a reference online and says it is a Plumeria Krugii

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Apr 25, 2017 1:28 PM CST
Name: Karen
New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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Whatever it is, it's different and unique. Grow it and let us know how it does.
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Apr 25, 2017 1:47 PM CST
Name: James
Anacortes, WA (Zone 8b)
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Do you know if they're fragrant? I Like the look of them!
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Apr 25, 2017 2:49 PM CST
Name: Karen
New Mexico (Zone 8a)
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I agree It looks like a nice plant to have, even if the ID isn't known.
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Apr 25, 2017 4:31 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Thanks, @kbuntu. That's a nice photo. That is an odd name to say the least. I wonder if this is a "rubra" or something else. I have never had a plumeria that wasn't a rubra.

The guy in PR says they are extremely fragrant.
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Apr 25, 2017 11:18 PM CST
Name: kbuntu
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (Zone 13a)
Plumerias Region: Mexico
From what I have read, many of the "species" from Cuba, Puerto Rico & the Caribbean (including Plumeria krugii Urb.) are a now a synonym of Plumeria Obtusa (obtuse shaped leaves). There isn't a lot of info available though and I'm not an expert. The only reference is from the internet and without any sort of test or study of the specie you never know if this info is reliable.


drdawg said:Thanks, @kbuntu. That's a nice photo. That is an odd name to say the least. I wonder if this is a "rubra" or something else. I have never had a plumeria that wasn't a rubra.

The guy in PR says they are extremely fragrant.
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Apr 26, 2017 6:38 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
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