Daylilies forum: Robust Daylily Plants/Tall Foliage is what I'm after!

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Name: Virginia Harmon
Woodside, CA 94062 (Zone 8b)
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VHarmon
May 6, 2017 12:56 PM CST
I'm interested in exploring really large or structural daylily foliage. Of course I'd want lovely flowers and high bud count, disease resistance and excellent breeding potential.

Any recommendations?

Imagine the back of a massive perennial border...
Rather than Miscanthus, a daylily plant anchors the border to the landscape.
That's what I'm after!
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
May 6, 2017 4:25 PM CST
I don't know how tall you want the foliage to be, but I noticed today that as far as just foliage, 'Ming Porcelain' appeared to be the tallest in my garden. The bloom is rather plain, but distinctive, the scapes are decent.
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Name: Char
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Char
May 6, 2017 5:54 PM CST

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I would take a look at Women Seeking Men. WSM is the first one that comes to mind with the plant traits you are looking for.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Women Seeking Men')
Also check out some of the WSM kids, Up on the Roof and Building the Colossus are two favorites. As an added bonus to possibly having the plant you are looking for the blooms on all three are nice too.
Name: Virginia Harmon
Woodside, CA 94062 (Zone 8b)
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VHarmon
May 6, 2017 6:41 PM CST
Seedfork said:I don't know how tall you want the foliage to be, but I noticed today that as far as just foliage, 'Ming Porcelain' appeared to be the tallest in my garden. The bloom is rather plain, but distinctive, the scapes are decent.
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I grew 'Ming Porcelain' for many years and took my inspiration for breeding tets from it. I've been considering bringing it back into my collection. You've just convinced me, thanks!
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Name: Virginia Harmon
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VHarmon
May 6, 2017 6:50 PM CST
Char said:I would take a look at Women Seeking Men. WSM is the first one that comes to mind with the plant traits you are looking for.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Women Seeking Men')
Also check out some of the WSM kids, Up on the Roof and Building the Colossus are two favorites. As an added bonus to possibly having the plant you are looking for the blooms on all three are nice too.


Char, thanks for the link to the database. 'Ming Porcelain' is a parent of 'WSM'. You've given me some interesting research. Thank you very much.
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Name: Donald
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needrain
May 7, 2017 8:24 AM CST
Only addressing strong, large daylily clumps for growth there are five plants that really stand out compared to the other plants I grow.

The one I've grown the longest is 'Primal Scream' which is a moderate increaser but the fans are so husky and healthy it made a large clump quickly.

Others that are also tetraploid plants are 'Big Honking Brazen Hussy' and 'Whip City Dapper Dan' - both intros from Lori Jones. Both have huge fans and strong growth. The 'Hussy' is filling a large nursery tree pot and showing nine scapes right now after arriving as a double fan year before last.

The final tetraploid plant and another that is huge and filling a tree pot is 'Richard Herbert Haynes'. It did arrive as a clump in 2014 and quickly outgrew a large container. Lots of plant there. I think the bud count might be a bit light, but it's getting more sun this year after being upsized to the tree pot, so guess I'll see if that changes anything.

The only diploid on the list is 'Odds Bodkins' which is equally large with quick increase. There isn't any visible difference in it and tet plants. Going to see a lot of scapes this year which will be it's third year here.

I have lots of plants that grow well and increase, but their growth isn't what I think you are describing for structural foliage in a perennial border. As they grow for me, these five would work in that situation.
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bloominholes2fill
May 7, 2017 8:50 AM CST
Zoro's Blade is a lovely choice. It's cardinal red blooms are showy! It only grows to 33 inches high, so I'm not sure if it's tall enough for you, though. It's a hefty specimen, and its foliage is large and very architectural in feel. I love it!! Smiling
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
May 7, 2017 10:25 AM CST
@Needrain,
I am really surprised that 'Primal Scream' grows large fans, and forms clumps quickly. It is a runt in my garden, and has shown no signs of increase in two years. That gives me hope anyhow that in time it will do much better, it was about to go on my new list I made for culls.
This is what it looks like here after two years.
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Name: Donald
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needrain
May 7, 2017 11:22 AM CST
Seedfork said:@Needrain,
I am really surprised that 'Primal Scream' grows large fans, and forms clumps quickly. It is a runt in my garden, and has shown no signs of increase in two years. That gives me hope anyhow that in time it will do much better, it was about to go on my new list I made for culls.
This is what it looks like here after two years.
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I thought of you when I was writing the post nodding . At one time, before you had seen the plant bloom, I thought you might have acquired the wrong plant. But then you posted photos of the bloom and it looks correct. I can't explain why yours and my plant grow so differently. Clearly they have been. Mine has been a steady increaser from the beginning and, in turn, those fans send up scapes the following season. I once remarked on this forum somewhere that I thought it was awarded the Stout medal as much for its foliage as for the bloom :). My conditions here are likely different in some big ways from yours. I probably tend to have a few lower temperatures during winter, though mostly I wouldn't think our winters would be significantly different. Summers, though, are going to be different. For plants of most any kind, summers here are harsh. High temperatures, lower humidity often aggravated by windy conditions. Night time cool off probably isn't the best for either of us - meaning temps stay warm at night. Your plants surely get more natural water via rain. Soil is different, I think. I grow mine in large containers and PS is in large clay-type container and so it's not garden soil. Generally I think plants grow better in the ground than in containers, but the daylilies in general seem to manage being container grown pretty well. It might be that PS requires better than usual soil or the spot it's located has something in the soil affecting the roots which is being seen in the fan growth. Do daylilies suffer from nematodes or some other soil pest? Grub worms? I've found grub worms in the pots when I've upsized or replenished the soil. I didn't see damage, but they were fat and healthy so they were eating something. Do hems get virus? If there is a plant virus that they can get, an infected plant might perform quite differently than one with no infection. I've wondered about the fading away of plants that start out growing well. It's a scenario that gets posted about plants growing in different locations and is usually applied in a dormant vs evergreen evaluation. That sounds like sickness to me, so I wonder if the wrong cause is being associated with the phenomenon. Just some random thoughts going on. Needs some science Blinking .
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Name: Kathy
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ocalagal
May 7, 2017 12:01 PM CST
My garden is in the midst of a drought, and Im barely getting any of it watered. So anything that is robust right now is doing it on its own. I just went out to check to see who was thriving, and Ive got really robust tall fans of Victorian Lace and Pink Aloha.

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Name: Virginia Harmon
Woodside, CA 94062 (Zone 8b)
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VHarmon
May 7, 2017 12:09 PM CST
Thank you all for the recommendations. I have some homework to do.

Seedfork, if your phosphorus is too high in the spot where 'PS' is planted it could be blocking nitrogen which could result in the lack of growth. Try moving it.
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hillbilly
May 7, 2017 6:19 PM CST
I like the foliage to bend in a graceful arc if it stands tall it makes the scapes look short even if they have good height.

signet
May 7, 2017 6:49 PM CST
I have a few suggestions for you . If you like UF's .....I would recommend

Sears Towers . This is a very robust tall plant . Yellow
Webster's Pink Wonder - again tall robust . Pink ( of course)
Snickerdoodle - same as above . Tall robust Gold spider edged and tipped brown with gold and brown eyezone above green throat (actually mine is more pinkish than brownish) registered at 28 inches but mine has grown as tall as 36 inches at least .
Notify Ground Crew - another tall robust plant ..yellow

I have other suggestions but you probably have enough for now with all the other suggestions you have been given.
Name: Virginia Harmon
Woodside, CA 94062 (Zone 8b)
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VHarmon
May 7, 2017 7:05 PM CST
If I'm to establish foundation stock for his project I need a diverse gene pool. I have 'Swallows in Flight' for its tall scapes but hope to breed more robust plants and am open to diverse flower forms. It seems, however, that UF's are the best options.

Thx
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Name: Elena
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bxncbx
May 8, 2017 8:00 AM CST
I only have one suggestion-Gold Helmet. I have it planted on a hill and the fans are so tall already that I have to put garden fencing to hold them back from shading the other daylilies near it. The flower is big and bold with great substance (a little too much substance if you ask me). It's also fragrant! It is more pollen fertile but I was able to set pods on it last year. I think it just needs time to settle in before it will set pods. It also is increasing for me every year which is rare in my garden (they are packed in cheek to jowl so they tend not to increase much).
Name: Elena
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bxncbx
May 10, 2017 7:27 PM CST
Here's a picture of Gold Helmet on the far right. It is dwarfing the other daylilies.

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This is on a hill so if I didn't hold it back it would completely cover the daylily closest to it (which is normal height to me).

Sorry about the weeds & mess! My garden is always a work in progress!
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Hemlady
May 11, 2017 8:10 AM CST
My garden looks worse than yours Elena. With so much rain, I haven't been able to work in the garden. And then it got so cold again, can't work outdoors when it is only in the 40's. Sighing!
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Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
May 11, 2017 6:13 PM CST
If I didn't work in the 40's, I would get nothing done Rolling on the floor laughing Just bought a pair of gardening boots with faux fur trim Hilarious!
Name: Ronny
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Ronny07
Oct 8, 2018 1:08 PM CST
A few weeks ago I sent an e-mail to Robert Selman asking which of his daylilies had the largest foliage.
Robert was kind enough to pass on a list of his biggest plants.

Appalachian Ballad
Ivory Titan
Vanilla Victory
Asheville Livin 'Large

Maybe someone who is looking for large daylilies is interested in this.
Thanks Bob for sharing this information with us.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Oct 8, 2018 3:18 PM CST
@Ronny07,
I am not currently looking for daylily plants with large foliage, but I always appreciate seeing info like you provided being passed along here in the daylily forum. That info may be just was some members are looking for.

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