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Name: Kimbrie Sauvageau
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punk_rock_garderner
May 8, 2017 2:12 AM CST
I have just transplanted my second set of seedlings and they are not doing well. I am starting the seeds in a 72 cell germinator, when they sprout moving them to larger container, at that point feeding them with a 50% solution and giving them light (maybe too much). The first seedlings that sprouted are growing like weeds and are a nice deep green. The second set, shown in pic, is yellowish on both stems and leaves and are just very sad looking...I use a potting mix or garden soil for transplanting and start the seeds with seed starting mix.

Am I giving them too much light? Not enough food? I am a brand new garderner so any feedback is greatly appreciated...thank you for your time!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
May 8, 2017 5:29 AM CST
They actually look like they aren't getting enought light, hence they are elongating trying to get to a light source. What is their light source? Bear in mind that fertilizer is not "food" for a plant, it just supplies the minerals needed for the plant to function. The plant makes its own food and needs light to do that (photosynthesis).

I'm not sure what you mean by a 50% solution of fertilizer. Can you tell us what fertilizer it is (analysis, the three numbers) and do you mean it is applied at 50% of the recommended amount? How often are you applying it? It is easy to over-estimate how much fertilizer a seedling needs. At the age yours appear to be, they probably don't even need any fertilizer, especially if there is some in the potting mix.

Another potential problem is using garden soil for potting. The physical characteristics of garden soil do not work well in a pot which is why we use potting mixes in containers. You mentioned using garden soil OR potting mix, can you tell us which these seedlings are in? The other problem with garden soil for seedlings indoors is the potential for diseases unless it is pasteurized.
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May 8, 2017 7:23 AM CST
Welcome to NGA, Kimbrie ( @punk_rock_garderner ).

Successfully growing garden plants from seeds can be problematic even for experienced gardeners, so consider this as all being part of the learning process Smiling

I agree with everything Sue said above -- the seedlings aren't getting enough light, you don't need to fertilize them at that stage, and use a "potting mix," not "garden soil" for growing them.

Although there are a lot of fancier systems available, I use regular fluorescent "shop lights" for starting my plants indoors; the lights are placed as close to the seedlings as I can get them without actually touching, and they're left on for 16 hours per day.

"Garden soil" won't drain well enough for the seedlings to be happy; and be sure to put drainage holes in the bottom of plastic cups when using them for growing your seedlings (I do that by stacking several together and using a drill to make 3 or 4 holes in the bottoms of the cups).

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Name: Kimbrie Sauvageau
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May 9, 2017 12:31 AM CST
Thanks for your help. By 50% I meant 50% recommended strength. I read it several places in my research. I am using miracle grow and it is 24-8-16. I don't have much knowledge on what is best, so went with that brand. I discovered a bit too late about the garden soil. Hubby grabbed wrong bag, I ran with it and to my detriment unfortunately. The seeds are started in a germinator dome in seed starting mix, then moved to what should be potting mix.
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punk_rock_garderner
May 9, 2017 12:34 AM CST
I am using a 40 watt GE PLANT BULB in the light I use...I move it every couple of hours so they all get as much exposure as possible...maybe I need to buy another light?
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punk_rock_garderner
May 9, 2017 12:39 AM CST
Thank you for your input...the soil is unfortunate and yet another learning curve. Thankfully I have plenty of seeds and help from some knowledge people such as yourselves I WILL get it right eventually...happy gardening to you as well!
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smokingdonkey
May 9, 2017 2:27 AM CST
punk_rock_garderner said:Thank you for your input...the soil is unfortunate and yet another learning curve. Thankfully I have plenty of seeds and help from some knowledge people such as yourselves I WILL get it right eventually...happy gardening to you as well!



To honest i disagree 100% with the advice given, your seeds are getting to much light hence they re
growing stringy and not forming any strong stems
Yes they do need light but just like a sunbed to much light and you'll end up with what you've got very weak and strangly plants,
REF These plants turning yellow, two reasons why (1) over watering and drowing the plants (2) to much feed and a further point the garden soil at this early stage is a no no, try the re-potting when the plants are a little older and plant them a little deeper when you re-pot.

Get youself a book on the subject of sowing/re-potting and you'll see for yourself by the experts what to do and why your having these problems, its well worth the cost.

Name: Sue
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sooby
May 9, 2017 5:46 AM CST
smokingdonkey said:


To honest i disagree 100% with the advice given, your seeds are getting to much light hence they re
growing stringy and not forming any strong stems
Yes they do need light but just like a sunbed to much light and you'll end up with what you've got very weak and strangly plants


Etiolation is not caused by too much light but by too little. Bleaching from too much light can be from photo-oxidation but does not cause elongation. It would be very unlikely that artificial lighting of that type would amount to too much light, especially since the light is being moved around.

Now having said that some plants are damaged if the light is left on for 24 hours so perhaps we need to know what length of day they are being given.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
May 9, 2017 5:49 AM CST
punk_rock_garderner said:I am using a 40 watt GE PLANT BULB in the light I use...I move it every couple of hours so they all get as much exposure as possible...maybe I need to buy another light?


Can you show us a picture of your whole set up?
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May 9, 2017 6:53 AM CST
smokingdonkey said: Get youself a book on the subject of sowing/re-potting and you'll see for yourself by the experts what to do and why your having these problems, its well worth the cost.


I'm sure the OP knows that there are such things as books, perhaps gardening is only one facet of her life and she doesn't have the time or the energy to devote to reading an entire book on sowing and repotting, especially since we now have the Internet, one of the benefits of which, we are told, is that you can get information quickly at your fingertips, and can benefit from the knowledge and experience of others. That's what I came to NGA for, to learn, and the beautiful thing is, if someone doesn't want to help, no one is putting a gun to their head to make them do it! Smiling

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Weedwhacker
May 9, 2017 7:09 AM CST
smokingdonkey said:


To honest i disagree 100% with the advice given, your seeds are getting to much light hence they re
growing stringy and not forming any strong stems
Yes they do need light but just like a sunbed to much light and you'll end up with what you've got very weak and strangly plants,



Can you tell us what you are basing this on? Almost all vegetable plants are normally grown in full sun. The seedlings will be weak and elongated in response to trying to obtain more light.
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Name: stone
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May 9, 2017 7:36 AM CST
smokingdonkey said:To honest i disagree 100% with the advice given, your seeds are getting to much light hence they re
growing stringy and not forming any strong stems


Weedwhacker said:Can you tell us what you are basing this on?


Smiling
Some people seem to have different garden conditions than the rest of us....


Re seedlings....

Definitely light starved.

Not sure whether they can be salvaged.

Some plants can be planted deeply, and will root from the stems.

Next time.... Try to start plants in south facing window, and additional growing lights.

These plants?
I'd probably toss them and start over....
But... If you gradually exposed them to sunlight outside, a few hours per day, working up to all day.... Maybe some can be salvaged... Seems like more work than its worth, though... I think these are likely permanently affected.

Is there any reason that you are trying to start these beans and melons indoors, rather than simply planting them directly in the garden?

At my house....
I have a critter prob....
And must start my seeds in pots....
But.... They are larger containers, and outside.... I do cover them to prevent bird depredation....

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Name: Philip Becker
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May 9, 2017 8:09 AM CST
Not enogh lite, defiantly !!!
One buld, im guessing its the regular house style bulb, is only good for one plant, mabe four seedlings.
Get yourself a multi tube 4500K lite with bulbs that dont get hot. Fixtures basically only cover the area the size of reflector. Lites need to be 1 to 1 1/2 inches above seedlings, or they will stretch.
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woofie
May 9, 2017 3:20 PM CST
Just chiming in here to agree with everyone who said "not enough light." Philip mentioned that the light needs to be very close to the seedlings for them not to get stretched out like that and he's right. However, if I understand what type of light you are using, it probably gets too hot to position close enough to the seedlings. You can get LED grow lights that don't put out as much heat and they work well for small applications, if you don't want to mess with the bigger fluorescent fixtures.
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May 9, 2017 3:27 PM CST
I agree with woofie. They are getting cooked - actually, they look steamed.
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smokingdonkey
May 9, 2017 3:32 PM CST
Garden10 said:

I'm sure the OP knows that there are such things as books, perhaps gardening is only one facet of her life and she doesn't have the time or the energy to devote to reading an entire book on sowing and repotting, especially since we now have the Internet, one of the benefits of which, we are told, is that you can get information quickly at your fingertips, and can benefit from the knowledge and experience of others. That's what I came to NGA for, to learn, and the beautiful thing is, if someone doesn't want to help, no one is putting a gun to their head to make them do it! Smiling


Hi Garden 10"
Your so correct ref Internet, but you have to ask yourself a question ref the info being given and by who,
You'll get so many thoughts and ideas ref questions asked and most of the replies come from people who are not fully qualified to give a correct reply,
But if you are really interested in finding the proven correct answer then as i say go to the dept that knows the correct answer,
You get out of gardening what you put in,
Nobody has said it was easy, But to make the most of your chosen hobby then as ive said go and read from the proven writers who know what they are talking about,
Now ref buying books, yes you can buy new,
Ive not bought a new book for many years "but i still even today buy books on the subject ,

As i write this reply to you i have something like 300 books on the shelves in front of me and most came from animal rescue shops, the red cross shops and cancer research shops, a lot of these books are some 6 inch think and have been put together by more than one writer each on his/her subject.

All once cost an arm and a leg when new and purchased by very very keen gardeners,
These gardeners are proberly no longer with us "but "the likes of myself who now have the advantage of these books are still able to at leasure pick a book and read (true experience from people who know what they are talking about and if you could see the string of letters after the names of such writers you understand why im saying dont waste your time if your really keen, take that step and better yourself with good information.

The day you dont want to take good advice !! then thats the day you'll only have yourself to thank if you took second rate advice at your own cost when things go wrong Thumbs up

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sooby
May 9, 2017 3:34 PM CST
Kimbrie (OP) said "I am using a 40 watt GE PLANT BULB in the light I use...I move it every couple of hours". So presumably fluorescent and not immediately over a group of plants for longer than two hours at a time.

smokingdonkey
May 9, 2017 3:39 PM CST
sooby said:

Etiolation is not caused by too much light but by too little. Bleaching from too much light can be from photo-oxidation but does not cause elongation. It would be very unlikely that artificial lighting of that type would amount to too much light, especially since the light is being moved around.

Now having said that some plants are damaged if the light is left on for 24 hours so perhaps we need to know what length of day they are being given.

Well if you dont know half of the question why are you coming out with all this etiolation stuff?
I think your of no real help to anyone asking for help, you seem to like coming out with a list of long words that im sure your getting off some other forum.


smokingdonkey
May 9, 2017 3:43 PM CST
sooby said:

Can you show us a picture of your whole set up?

To be honest i wouldnt show you anything,
Your not what i'd call a gardening friend and No i would not like to get that close as to share any of our home or the allotement goings on. Thumbs down
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May 9, 2017 3:53 PM CST
I think what SmokingDonkey is so elequently attempting to say is that he's smart and we are not. Listen to him, ignore us. The proof is that he owns 300 really big books.

Does that sum it up?
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