Daylilies forum: First Knight

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Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
May 8, 2017 9:06 PM CST
Hi everybody!

Does anyone in zones 5a to 6a grow First Knight? If you do does it go dormant for you? It's registered as a semi-evergreen but the plant I have goes fully dormant. It is also is a brilliant yellow (that was my 1st clue something was amiss). Taking into consideration where I purchased it from also leads me to suspect it's something else. I like this plant but would also prefer to know what it is.
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Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
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judydu2
May 9, 2017 4:47 AM CST
Your plant is not 'First Knight'.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
May 9, 2017 5:19 AM CST
@judydu2,
What features did you see to determine the bloom was not 'First Knight'? My eye still can't seem to pick out traits that others see.
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
May 9, 2017 6:10 AM CST
Pictures of it in the database are very variable in color.
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Name: Pat Strong
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Pat236
May 9, 2017 6:14 AM CST
It looks like a plant that I received from Park Lane Dayliles, which was labeled Finders Keepers. But according to the pics in the data base, I do not have Finders Keepers. It goes dormant every year in my garden, but I like the bloom and have ordered it twice more. I may never know the correct name, that 's okay too.

I also have Irish Envy which looks similar as well. They are close but not the same plant. I've enclosed the link to Park Lane to show the listing for Finders Keepers, which is obviously incorrect. There are so many yellow flowers that look like that...Sour Puss is another that comes to mind.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
May 9, 2017 6:45 AM CST
The colour does not appear to match the AHS photograph or description, but I just wanted to mention that you can't use registered foliage type as a determinant of identity. Foliage type is how the plant behaved in the registrant's garden/climate and it doesn't necessarily follow that it will do the same thing somewhere else, especially in a very different environment. I have southern registered evergreens here that set dormant buds (evidenced by the short outer leaves when they emerge).
Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
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judydu2
May 9, 2017 2:17 PM CST
Seedfork said:@judydu2,
What features did you see to determine the bloom was not 'First Knight'? My eye still can't seem to pick out traits that others see.


I grew it for many years. 'First Knight' is a "near-white" with a gold crimped edge. Its color could never, ever be mistaken for a yellow. Your photo appears to show a lemon yellow with light polychrome attributes.


Athens, Ohio (Zone 6a)
mantisOH
May 9, 2017 5:46 PM CST
In addition to the color differences, segments in your bloom are narrower than those of First Knight, which has a very rounded form.
Name: Brian
Ontario Canada (Zone 5b)
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bearsearch
May 9, 2017 8:05 PM CST
I knew it wasn't First Knight but it's a shame it's nameless. It's hardy as a rock and is a good height with a good bud count and a reliable bloomer. Last year the drought didn't even affect it.
Name: bron
NSW-Qld border Australia
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bron
Oct 1, 2017 8:35 AM CST
This is my FFE on FIRST KNIGHT which bloomed only 5 months after I bought it. It grew well across our very mild and unusually very dry winter. It came from an inland grower where it would have been well chilled for a couple of months b4 I bought it.

To me it seems a light yellow, lemony and not an orange or pinkish yellow altho my pic suggests otherwise. The edge is a darker yellow. The green throat is very small. It has great substance.


Name: Ina Novodvorsky
Carleton Place, Ontario, Canad (Zone 5a)
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Ina
Oct 1, 2017 5:27 PM CST
I was gifted First Knight. The first year it bloomed it was yellow/orange. I thought there is no way it is First Knight. This year it started off yellow and ended up cream with yellow edge. It goes dormant here in our garden in the Ottawa area of Ontario

This year
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This year's first flower
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Last years bloom color
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Sept 15 rebloom this year
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I am still holding out on saying it is or is not First Knight.

Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
Region: California
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CaliFlowers
Oct 2, 2017 7:36 AM CST
I think it's a much older plant. Going by the style of ruffling, the widespread but fairly open-throated flat form, strap-like sepals and the clean yellow color, it looks like something from the mid '80s to early '90s—maybe a tetraploid from the Harold Harris or Oscie Whatley lines.

Where did you buy it? You might find its real identity by browsing their catalog.

Name or no name, it's a real showpiece.
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 14, 2017 2:14 PM CST
Ken when I first saw it I was thinking Mr Whatley's Solar Music which I grow.
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Oct 14, 2017 2:56 PM CST
If it's not Solar Music, it's something really close, Mike.

I have quite a few of Oscie's intros, but never grew that one. I remember trying some other first-generation tet. Siloam Medallion kids back then and they had problems opening here. Two of his Solar Music kids, Pastor James and Butter Cream, both do well.

Solar Music has quite a few different 'looks', but they all share a few key characteristics. (I saw one picture on the Db here that is definitely not Solar Music.)
Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Oct 14, 2017 3:54 PM CST
Saw that picture also.
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Solar Music - petals seem wider than the subject plant.
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