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BLW500
May 9, 2017 3:49 PM CST
Hello, new here. My father has a garden approximately 50'X50' and we grow a vast assortment of vegetables every year. He's starting to age and I know he won't be able to tend to the garden like he once could. Since I just started a new career path that requires me to travel more, I know I also won't be able to contribute like I used to. So, my question is what would be a good herbicide to use in the garden and how best to use it? I know this is probably frowned upon here and I never thought I would be considering it but here I am...
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May 9, 2017 4:15 PM CST
What state/country is this located? And are you wanting to kill everything or just certain things? Lots of herbicides are not recommended around plants that going to be eaten.
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dyzzypyxxy
May 9, 2017 4:18 PM CST
I just bought a weed killer that is approved for use in organic gardens and around edibles, but must admit I haven't tried it yet. It's Bonide Burn Out, and believe it or not, I saw a gallon-sized container of the concentrate for sale at Costco yesterday! (just amazed that Costco is carrying anything organic!) I got a smaller amount online from Amazon, but if I like it, I'm going to buy the gallon from Costco.

It's a contact herbicide, and only kills the tops of the weeds, so if you have perennial weeds they may come back unless you're very diligent about spraying them. But any help is better than none when you're trying to keep the pathways in your veggie garden weeded.
Elaine

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BLW500
May 9, 2017 4:39 PM CST
Thank you for your replies, we are located in Minnesota. It doesn't necessarily need to kill everything, would just like to lighten the workload for the old man.
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greene
May 9, 2017 4:54 PM CST
If you would hold off using herbicide and use lots of mulch, the weeds will be easier to pull. I'm sure the old guy still wants to keep his hand in the garden. The thick mulch will make it easier for him. One thing I use is Preen. It stops weeds from successfully germinating. Of course, it stops any type of seed so it would mean you cannot direct-seed your veggies. Have to start the seeds elsewhere and plant the small plants into the garden...then mulch the heck out of them! Mulch also holds in moisture and requires less watering.
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dyzzypyxxy
May 9, 2017 6:57 PM CST
Preen has a pre-emergent herbicide that's not safe to use around edibles, though. I've used it at my daughter's but only in the front yard, away from where we grow her veggies.
Elaine

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ctcarol
May 9, 2017 6:59 PM CST
I have to agree with Green on that, even though I do use weed killer in other places.
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Philipwonel
May 11, 2017 3:00 PM CST
Mulch heavy. Yes.
White vinagar 5% acidity is good contact weed killer for small weeds, bigger/tuffer weeds may take 2 or 3 sprayings. Use squeeze sprayer.
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Now... Buy your dad, and or yourself a trash stick with trigger handle, the kind with little, about 1 1/2 inch suction cup looking deals on end.
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greene
May 11, 2017 4:38 PM CST
dyzzypyxxy said:Preen has a pre-emergent herbicide that's not safe to use around edibles, though. I've used it at my daughter's but only in the front yard, away from where we grow her veggies.


Please realize there are different formulations for Preen. Regualr Preen for the back yard and the organic Preen which is safe for vegetables.
http://www.preen.com/products/...

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dyzzypyxxy
May 11, 2017 4:51 PM CST
Wow, I haven't seen that one before. Thanks greene!

Going to get my daughter to buy some for next time I'm there. (not much gardening takes place except when I visit).
Elaine

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greene
May 11, 2017 5:00 PM CST
I am working within a limited budget so buying at end of season works for me. Preen, both regular and the organic type, go on clearance sale at the end of the gardening season and that is when I stock up. Thumbs up

There is also the product you can buy at feed stores which is corn gluten meal...works the same as Preen without the high price. Thumbs up
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dyzzypyxxy
May 11, 2017 5:08 PM CST
Yes, I finally sifted through the info on the label of the Preen and it is 100% corn gluten meal. I got another brand of the same stuff off Amazon for less money. They've got Concern brand 25lb. for $36 and the Preen is 5lb. for $16. I'm using it at a large school garden so the price was important.

It works ok as a pre-emergent but will actually fertilize existing weeds like perennial grasses. So you'd need another "top burn" potion to slow down those.
Elaine

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Garden10
May 11, 2017 5:22 PM CST
dyzzypyxxy said:I just bought a weed killer that is approved for use in organic gardens and around edibles, but must admit I haven't tried it yet. It's Bonide Burn Out, and believe it or not, I saw a gallon-sized container of the concentrate for sale at Costco yesterday! (just amazed that Costco is carrying anything organic!) I got a smaller amount online from Amazon, but if I like it, I'm going to buy the gallon from Costco.

It's a contact herbicide, and only kills the tops of the weeds, so if you have perennial weeds they may come back unless you're very diligent about spraying them. But any help is better than none when you're trying to keep the pathways in your veggie garden weeded.


Elaine, did you get a chance to use it yet, there isn't any way I'm going to be able to fight these maple seedlings without help, they actually look like groundcover in the beds where I have shrubs, if they stayed that size, I'd let them stay, but pulling them all out isn't an option, and I'll only use something organic. Shrug!

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sooby
May 11, 2017 6:00 PM CST
Garden10 said:

Elaine, did you get a chance to use it yet, there isn't any way I'm going to be able to fight these maple seedlings without help, they actually look like groundcover in the beds where I have shrubs, if they stayed that size, I'd let them stay, but pulling them all out isn't an option, and I'll only use something organic. Shrug!



Are they mixed in with other plants between the shrubs? If not, go over them with a string trimmer/whipper-snipper or whatever you call them in the USA. You might have to do it more than once as more grow high enough to be decapitated but once their tops are gone they won't regrow.

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Bonehead
May 11, 2017 6:07 PM CST
Another thought to lighten the load on Dad would be to hire a teenager or college student for a couple hours each week to help with the weeding. Dad could pass on his knowledge and enjoy some company to boot.

I keep thinking I'll pursue that myself. But haven't yet.
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dyzzypyxxy
May 11, 2017 6:26 PM CST
Sorry, Abbey haven't had a chance to use it yet. I'll try it on the weeds in the driveway tomorrow.
Elaine

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Philipwonel
May 11, 2017 7:08 PM CST
Ive said before that preen was nothing but corn glutton meal.
I wish i could find some.
It does add nitrigion to soil. A plus for starting seeds/seedlings.
For your existing weeds, straight 5% acidity white vinagar will take care of them.
If you find a source for 40% corn glutton meal ! PLEASE ! Tree mail me, where.
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Garden10
May 11, 2017 7:17 PM CST
Philipwonel said:Ive said before that preen was nothing but corn glutton meal.
I wish i could find some.
It does add nitrigion to soil. A plus for starting seeds/seedlings.
For your existing weeds, straight 5% acidity white vinagar will take care of them.
If you find a source for 40% corn glutton meal ! PLEASE ! Tree mail me, where.
Thank You ! ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ˜Ž



@Philipwonel, is this the stuff you mean, I don't get the 40% part, but this is the only organic/non GMO brand http://eartheasy.com/corn-glut...



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Philipwonel
May 11, 2017 7:33 PM CST
I hope it is Abbey @Garden10
I'll check it out.
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