Plant ID forum: I Take It These Are Both Wildflowers, What Are They Called?

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Name: Abbey
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Garden10
May 16, 2017 6:18 PM CST
It occurred to me today that if I live another year, I can do more work on the property, and if I don't, who cares??? I went to clean out the main bed in back, and the dandelions and grass is a no brainer, but there are tons of these flowers that are in my lawn too, like Dutchman's Breeches, and why would I pull them out? They can coexist with the hydrangea babies and the returning shasta daisies and black eyed Susans, right? So I'd like to call them by name - what is it? Thank You!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
May 16, 2017 6:36 PM CST
Top one is creeping Charlie aka ground ivy, Glechoma hederacea. Bottom one is garlic mustard. Both are non-native and usually considered weeds, especially the garlic mustard.
Name: Elena
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bxncbx
May 16, 2017 6:38 PM CST
Abbey I surely hope I'm wrong but the second one might be garlic mustard. Pull it up & see if it smells garlicky. If it does, pull up all you can find & trash it. It is horribly invasive & once it sets seed you'll be finding seedlings forever! It blooms now since I just pulled a plant a week or so ago. Looked like it but I could be wrong since someone on this forum had to identify it for me.
Name: Abbey
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Garden10
May 16, 2017 7:22 PM CST
Thank You! Sue -- oh boy!

Oh Elena, it's EVERYWHERE, what do I do, open a hot dog stand? I put $25 worth of mulch down in the rhodo bed alone, and it all came through like I went to the ballgame instead, and it's all through the mulch in the front, an explosion after all that rain...I'm not bothered by the Creeping Charlie, it is a medicinal plant related to malva that my grandfather used to grow and make into a tea for himself (it actually ended up killing him, but that story is for some snowy night in front of the fire...), I went to the place to ask after my New York Ironweed today and I was looking at their groundcovers and I said, why are these OK and that stuff with the purple flowers isn't? It's not native, true, it was brought here and propagated for its medicinal properties, but it's not invasive, it doesn't hurt other plants, and I love a lot of things named Charlie anyway...but that garlic mustard? Have any of you used that Bonide weed killer that's supposed to be OK for organic gardening, is that legit or more marketing BS? I had to admit today that I'm only human, and I'm having a hard time dealing with that ( Hilarious! ) but I'm starting to get overwhelmed by the experience, and I'm leaving most of it to the elements as it is D'Oh!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
May 16, 2017 7:37 PM CST
Garden10 said: I'm not bothered by the Creeping Charlie, it is a medicinal plant related to malva that my grandfather used to grow and make into a tea for himself ...


It is quite pretty but can also be a nuisance where you don't want it. But just FYI it is not related to malva. Creeping Charlie is in the mint family, Lamiaceae, whereas malva is in the mallow family, Malvaceae.

Name: Abbey
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Garden10
May 16, 2017 7:40 PM CST
Sorry, I misread the stuff I looked up, it said it's mistaken for mallow/malva, gee, for someone who doesn't know what she's talking about, you're pretty sharp!! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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bxncbx
May 16, 2017 7:42 PM CST
The "good" thing about garlic mustard is that it secrets something into the soil that kills nearby plants. And it's also biennial. So pull the bloomers & trash them (seeds can still develop from pulled plants). Then whenever you see seedlings pull as much as you can stand. I've been weeding & as I pull the taller weeds I'm finding a carpet of those underneath. I'm focusing on pulling the ones closest to plants I want. They come up really easily. Then I'll get around to pulling the rest.

I grow all my veggies organically but I have to admit that I'll be using Ground Clear again this year. Honestly, it's the only thing that works on Japanese knotweed & even then it takes multiple applications. I also have some invasive vine that is spreading like wildfire. That's getting dosed too because I can't seem to dig it up. I hate using the stuff but I've got no choice. Of course I grow all edibles in raised beds because of it. And well, it's NYC so who knows what horrible chemicals lurk in the soil.
Name: Sue
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sooby
May 16, 2017 7:52 PM CST
Garden10 said:Sorry, I misread the stuff I looked up, it said it's mistaken for mallow/malva, gee, for someone who doesn't know what she's talking about, you're pretty sharp!! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing


Got lots of books Rolling on the floor laughing

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DaisyI
May 16, 2017 9:57 PM CST
Going back to the original post "tons of these flowers that are in my lawn". Who needs lawn? Let the weeds and wildflowers do their thing. You say 'invasive' and I say 'better coverage'. Smiling
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Name: Abbey
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Garden10
May 17, 2017 3:10 AM CST
sooby said:

Got lots of books Rolling on the floor laughing



Rolling on the floor laughing Thank you for that, I'll use it for a laugh today when I'm sitting out in the middle of a mulched bed among the garlic mustard, crying!!!

Daisy, not that I think you print out my posts and leave them in the bathroom so that not only you but anyone else can read and enjoy them at leisure, but when have I ever, elsewhere and in this post, advocated for a monocultural lawn? My original post clearly says that I'm not fighting but embracing, I was asking the name of the plants, subsequent posts say that the Creeping Charlie is staying, but the garlic mustard stuff is messing up my beds and I'm being warned against it by people who know better than I do. I only have my lawn mowed, that's it, and all of the wildflowers and 12 varieties of grass, moss and chives that grow in it are there to stay.

You know Elena, I just can't bring myself to do that. Sure, I know there are God-knows-what chemicals in the soil in the five boroughs, same can be said for my grandmother's nephews, the swine, but for me, it has to end. We've seen how we've brought the Hudson way back from what it was, we don't have to live with the status quo. And you know, as an aside, I had the responsibility for a relative with Alzheimer's from start to finish, and the way things worked out, I spent time with a lot of other people with dementia in the places she was at, and a lot of them were alone in the world, or had families who just couldn't cope, or had families who just didn't give a damn, and this epidemic isn't natural. It's not "old age" and it's not something that may naturally come to some people as a matter of life being life, it has to be all the chemicals we've been pouring into the ground and the water, spraying on the engineered crops -- people sneer at things like that, but mostly because they're afraid and overwhelmed. So it looks like I'm back to the vinegar where I can get away with it method, and the, oh dear, is that a chest pain? school of weed control!! Big Grin At least now when I swear at it, I can use the proper name for it -- Thank You!

Gee, maybe hot dogs aren't such a bad idea??? Going to be summertime hot today!
"Every now and then I leave the book on the seat and go and have a refreshing potter among my flower beds from which I return greatly benefited, and with a more just conception of what is worth bothering about, and what is not." The Solitary Summer -- Elizabeth von Arnim

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