Propagation forum: Texas Mountain Laurel

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Name: Stewart
Pinehurst, Texas (Zone 8b)
Region: Texas Plumerias Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Garden Ideas: Level 1 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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PlantMania
May 19, 2017 7:33 PM CST


Just a couple more to go Rolling on the floor laughing


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Oma and Opa
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Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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ricelg
Jun 23, 2017 8:12 PM CST
Hey that's really good. I've tried a couple of times without success. What medium did you use and did you scarify?
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
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chris1948
Jun 24, 2017 2:41 PM CST
For what it's worth here's my TML that's about 1 1/2yrs old I believe. I grew it from seed, used regular seed starting mix and yes I did scarify the seed, had to use a rasp to do it though.


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Chris
Name: Stewart
Pinehurst, Texas (Zone 8b)
Region: Texas Plumerias Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Garden Ideas: Level 1 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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PlantMania
Jun 27, 2017 7:18 AM CST
@ricelg
Larry,
So what I do is not spend my time scarifng these little guys the normal way. I Know I Know... this is what you need to do Smiling I have seen videos where people sand them down (tried that, failed), tried a sanding wheel (ever see a seed fly through the air at about 60mph? - not worth it) plus the smoke these little guys put out is unreal! So I cheat - here is what I use:

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I try just to nip the end. I place the seed in the blade, like a football would sit and apply the least amount of pressure, until I hear a crack. I then place them in a container with a moist piece of paper towel and watch for a root. I have four that are going pretty good now:



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I start with a compost of chipped wood and soil, place them in a cardboard tube, water until I see a sprout, then place them in a biodegradable pot with soil packed around it - this way I do not disrupt the root system. Since these are my first, I have not transplanted any to the yard, but what I hope to do is to take the pot and plant the whole thing since I have heard that the TML does not like to be moved.

My container idea kind of works, but the seeds start to get mold on them. My next ones will be in the container with water and some kind of mold killer, or a plastic seed bag with perlite to see if I can keep the mold down.
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Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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greene
Jun 27, 2017 4:56 PM CST
I have never grown this plant; heck, I never even heard of it before this thread started. But doing my quick research I learned that the slightly immature seeds would sprout more quickly and easily. Look near the end of this link:
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu...

Sort of hoping I could find a source for seeds but I'll save that for another day. Thumbs up
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Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
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chris1948
Jun 27, 2017 6:40 PM CST
I bought some from eBay and a friend here on the site had also sent me some.
Chris
Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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ricelg
Jul 15, 2017 7:34 PM CST
I have some I harvested from a variety of local plants this spring. I'd be glad to send or trade some if folks are interested. When they are seeding I have no problem getting them here locally. You can send me a PM if you are interested.
Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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ricelg
Jul 15, 2017 7:40 PM CST
Stewart - what kind of container do you use (prior to rooting)? Is this a ziploc bag or other?
Name: Stewart
Pinehurst, Texas (Zone 8b)
Region: Texas Plumerias Vegetable Grower Canning and food preservation Garden Ideas: Level 1 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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PlantMania
Jul 16, 2017 6:50 AM CST
@ricelg

The ones above all were placed in any seal-able container that i can find:

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I am going to move away from this and try more of the zip-lock bag approach, due to most of the seeds turning into a mold seed


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Oma and Opa
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Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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ricelg
Jul 16, 2017 7:19 AM CST
OK, thanks!

vurbil
Dec 27, 2017 12:54 PM CST
I'm currently trying to grow these from seed to replace the trees in my front yard, which I don't like. I have to say, seeing how tiny yours still is at 1 1/2 years old has given me great pause. I read that they are slow growers, but that's something else.

Anyway, I've had some mold problems myself. Only on the pot where I stupidly reused potting soil that had been outside though.

These things are really hard to scarify! First my wife had the idea to crack the hard outside coat with our mortar and pestle. Found out very quickly that they may be hard, but their tensile strength is actually very low. Shattered the first seed into a million pieces.

Next I tried a piece of sand paper. After rubbing the seed for about 5 minutes, I could not detect any effect on it.

I finally tried two methods that both seem to have worked. The first is the boiling water method. This method works perfectly for black locust seeds, so I figured I'd try it with these even though these are much harder. I have a water heater for tea that heats water to 208 degrees. Popped 1 seed in the hot water without doing anything else with it.

While I was letting the water cool down, I tried the other method on 3 additional seeds. I simply took my drill, attached the smallest bit I have, and drilled a tiny hole right where the "eye" is on the seed. The drill would slip off any other part of the seed. I tried to be careful to only drill through the shell but not into the seed. I was really concerned about this method because I was afraid that I would damage the seed. However, all 3 of these as well as the hot water treated seed swelled up after 48 hours soaking in the water.

I also put 2 totally unscarified seeds in the cooled water to soak as a control and just to see what would happen. After 48 hours, they had not swelled. I think it's possible that if left to soak long enough, they may have, but who knows.
Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
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ricelg
Dec 27, 2017 4:14 PM CST
What ended up working best for me was using a dremel tool. I used one of the sanding bits and that worked pretty well. The slow growth rate is what moved me a long...I ended up buying a juvenile so I have a chance of seeing it bloom before I die :)
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Dec 27, 2017 4:39 PM CST
I used a pair of pliers in one hand and a rasp in the other. As long as I squeezed the seed hard enough so it wouldn't jump out it worked pretty well.
Chris
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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greene
Dec 27, 2017 6:05 PM CST
I used my Dremel Saw Max. It's like a Dremel tool all grown up. Still have to keep a tight hold on the seeds as they can go flying pretty fast and far. I worked in the bathroom so the seeds would be easier to find if they took a flying leap. Thumbs up
https://www.dremel.com/en_US/p...
Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Dec 27, 2017 7:26 PM CST
That's a nice looking tool, I may have to get one of those. I've got an old dremel that I've had for I guess 15yrs or so.
Chris
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
My dogs love me; some people don't.
Deer Bookworm Keeper of Poultry Vermiculture Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Georgia
Plant Identifier Rabbit Keeper Composter Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Herbs
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greene
Dec 27, 2017 8:18 PM CST
chris1948 said:That's a nice looking tool, I may have to get one of those. I've got an old dremel that I've had for I guess 15yrs or so.


I just took a quick look online. Crying I know I never paid anywhere near $100 for this tool. Maybe closer to $40. Thumbs up It's a handy tool to do some quick cuts (metal/plastic/wood) and very easy to use. Light weight, easy to change blades.

Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~"Leaf of Faith"
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Dec 27, 2017 9:07 PM CST
I just looked at it on Lowe's, I see there's an ultra and the max both the same price. I see one is 3 3/8" and one is 4"
Chris

vurbil
Jan 3, 2018 9:16 AM CST
I have a couple seedlings growing now. Obviously still a couple months away from planting them outside, but are these really as difficult to transplant as I've read? Or does that only apply to more mature plants?
Name: Chris Pollock
Copperas Cove, Tx (Zone 8a)
Greenhouse Region: Texas Orchids Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Hibiscus
Dog Lover Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 2
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chris1948
Jan 3, 2018 10:18 AM CST
I had three seedlings that I put out about 1 1/2yrs or so ago. I had no problems transplanting them as long as you keep the long tap root intact. Unfortunately only 1 of the three has survived and it's still only about 8" tall.
Chris
Name: Larry
Hill Country TX (Zone 8b)
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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ricelg
Jan 3, 2018 4:32 PM CST
Congrats @vurbil on getting germination!

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