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Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 23, 2017 2:11 AM CST
Is 10 years old, climber, facing south.
Before it was filled with leaves and flowers.
Now few leaves, few flowers.
End of stems are dried.
Is fertilized and pruned.
please help. gracias :)
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Name: Porkpal
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May 23, 2017 6:18 AM CST
I wish I knew the problem. I have roses that do this on occasion - especially Climbing Pinkie. After a few seasons it improves with no action on my part. It seems to wax and wane.
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Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 23, 2017 11:43 AM CST
thanks porkpal
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
May 25, 2017 11:53 AM CST
I think sometimes old canes just die for the same reason anything old dies. So long as the stem cells near the base of a plant keep putting up fresh, new canes, the rose retains a kind of youthful vigor.

Of course, sometimes various stresses will accelerate the process: drought, late freezes, and so on. I'd prune off the dead wood. And if there are a few other good, healthy canes I might prune off that cane near the base of the rose.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 25, 2017 10:31 PM CST
Steve812, thank you :)
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 26, 2017 5:32 AM CST
Hello again.
In a forum about plants in Spain, tell me that the soil loses nutrients in 8 or 10 years and that is why this rose is weak.
And I am advised to fertilize the rose bush with a blue nitrofoska fertilizer.I put it here in case it serves anybody else.
Greetings. :)
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
May 26, 2017 9:09 AM CST
Carmen ...

I think Steve is on the right track. Old wood is less efficient than new wood. It is good practice to constantly renew your rose every year or so by pruning the main canes down to stimulate new cane growth.

No matter how much fertilizer you provide an old cane, if it is no longer functional, it cannot do the work.

It might be helpful if you provide a photo of the base of the plant.

Here are three posts that @pepper23, Amanda made about her climber, 'Penny Lane' that may show you what I am talking about:

https://garden.org/thread/view...

https://garden.org/thread/view...

https://garden.org/thread/view...

I hope this helps.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
May 26, 2017 10:30 AM CST
I think fertilizing the rose is a good idea, too. Especially after pruning. It makes available the nutrients the rose uses to build new canes.
When you dance with nature, try not to step on her toes.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
May 26, 2017 11:00 AM CST
Steve ...

Carmen mentioned that she already fertilized the rose. I think it would be wise to wait until after seeing new growth before fertilizing again. What do you think ?
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 26, 2017 11:41 AM CST
hi!

That rose does not belong to this sick rose, it is another that is glued and grows full of strength. Photograph of the base of the plant

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In my parents' house there was a rose-bush that was more than 50 or 70 years old or more, its trunk was like a tree, nobody made it almost and in the spring it was wonderful, it had thousands of flowers. He never paid for it or took care of it.
My rose is 9 or 10 years old. Is it too old?

I have fertilized this sad rose bush with worm humus but they tell me that it is fine, but that it is not enough and that I put that other blue fertilizer

The truth, the soil that I have in my house is very bad, calcareous and full of stones, the plant may be hungry ..

Thank you !!.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
May 26, 2017 12:46 PM CST
Carmen ...

Everything depends on the rose. Some roses CAN do just fine like the ones at your parents house, but when a rose is not performing well, it's time to do something different.

Good soil does make a difference. However, if your rose has been starved for a long time, it doesn't hurt for it to start over with new wood which would be generated by a rejuvenation pruning ... Smiling
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 26, 2017 11:54 PM CST
Thanks RoseBlush1 for the advice, I'll try. :-)
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
May 27, 2017 12:29 AM CST
Carmen ...

Please post photos, so we can see how your rose came back ... Smiling

Good luck ... Crossing Fingers!
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
May 27, 2017 6:04 AM CST
ok :-)
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
May 27, 2017 8:48 AM CST
Thumbs up
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
Sep 2, 2017 4:26 PM CST


I could not save the rose, today I cut it. Shrug!





Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Sep 2, 2017 5:12 PM CST
I am so sorry.

Rose are tough and if there is a way, the rose will find it. This is something that a world famous rose breeder used to say quite often.

It sounds like for this rose, there just wasn't a way for it to grow and thrive for you.

I am so glad you tried. That was important.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: carmen elcoro
basque country spain (Zone 8b)
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mcarmen
Sep 3, 2017 2:53 AM CST
you know? I'm sorry to throw it, trim it well and look for another site with another orientation that maybe you like better. I will tell you. GRACIAS :)

davidw
Sep 3, 2017 5:09 AM CST
Not to be mean but based on the photos of the bottom of your rose there seems to be some basic care lacking. I see grass, weeds , old undisturbed soil. I wonder about the tile in the picture, is it seems very close, is the bed too small, does the tile retain too much heat, or reflect it on the rose ? I'd think twice before planting another in the same place and maybe find some time to " garden" rather than think fertilizer is a miracle cure. Sorry but pics don't lie.

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