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Name: Patrick Alan
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AlanJ
May 29, 2017 5:57 PM CST
The make-up of the 17 Cactus I have purchased are primarily Mammillaria,
Lobivia , Rebutia, and Parodia. There are a few which I have been unable to find any information on, such as Parodia Oculta.

Also, is it better to place those Cactus that require High Light outdoors facing East or facing South ?
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
May 29, 2017 6:39 PM CST

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Outdoor sun can be very rough on cacti that have gotten used to living indoors. If you are moving your plants outside for the first time, do not place them in hours of direct overhead sun or they will almost certainly fry. Try bright shade, a little morning sun, filtered light, something like that, for starters. Your east exposure, probably.
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Name: Bob
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Jun 4, 2017 2:38 PM CST
I agree
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 4, 2017 9:19 PM CST
Wow! A parodia with red flowers! I'm hooked - where can I find one?

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Name: Patrick Alan
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AlanJ
Jun 7, 2017 6:20 AM CST
I don't know ..... All of my Cacti have come from a Cactus Nursery in California.
I would assume that they are used to a lot of Sun . No ?
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Jun 7, 2017 10:25 AM CST

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They are most likely recent graduates of a greenhouse, which means they are not going to be able to deal with a lot of direct (unfiltered) sun. If the nursery has grown them specifically to be ready for the sun, which would require a period of accommodation, then you can proceed much less cautiously. Otherwise assume they will require some protection for a while until they can handle the hard life.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 7, 2017 10:46 AM CST
Baja is right. California cactus nurseries grow their plants under shade cloth.

What nursery did you use? Were you happy with them?
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tarev
Jun 7, 2017 11:45 AM CST
Patrick, It really varies at times. I have observed my cacti enjoy the east sun, as it goes into another warm day from being in a cool 50F to 55F overnight. The south sun here is rather intense, but it helps to have shade on them nodding You also have to take notice of your humidity factor there. Here in my area it is just much drier being inland, so it helps to have shade protection.

In one of the nurseries I visited here recently, it is replicating desert heat alright, but looking around they have shade, so not all will really like intense sun especially on their first season of arrival in your growing area. Got to acclimate them first, may actually take a whole cycle of the first summer season, then overwintering and back again to really see if it did well.
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Name: Patrick Alan
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AlanJ
Jun 16, 2017 2:34 PM CST
All of the cactus right now only get Morning sun - and of late, we've seen very little sunshine here in New Jersey. So they don't get hours and hours of direct sunshine, and all appear to be doing very well, and many are blooming for me at the moment:
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tarev
Jun 16, 2017 4:23 PM CST
That's how some of them behave here too when it feels cool and spring-like with just enough bright light they need.

That is good they are blooming, giving their lovely show! Thumbs up

Name: Patrick Alan
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AlanJ
Aug 12, 2017 7:32 AM CST
Since my last posting, my Collection of Cacti has grown. I've added many Echinopsis hybrids to my collection, in addition to everything else I grow.
We've had a few very Sunny and warm days here of late - my entire collection
gets moved to where they will receive Morning direct Sun for about 4-hours,
then the sun moves and they are all in shade.

At this point, as Summer comes to a close, I am thinking more now of how to
move this entire collection Indoors and over-winter them inside the house.

My concerns are will they get enough Light? and will the temperatures be Cool enough for them ?

How does one manage these two issues regarding over-wintering Cactus indoors?

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Baja_Costero
Aug 12, 2017 8:54 AM CST

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There are a few ways to manage that... you can provide lots of light and warmth and continue watering your plants as normal. This only works if you have a sunny windowsill that will give your plants hours of daily sun. It is how I grow all my indoor cacti. There is no need for cool temperatures for most cacti (in terms of survival anyway) and they will continue to grow if conditions are good.

Some people like to put their cacti in the garage or the basement during winter, where they will reach cool temps without freezing, and water very occasionally. The cacti slow down and go sort of dormant, only to revive when normal temps and good light return in the spring.

You could also try a grow light but that's way beyond my range of experience.
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Name: Patrick Alan
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AlanJ
Aug 12, 2017 6:11 PM CST
Unfortunately, I live in a Mobile Home ......and do not have a garage or a basement. So, all of my a Cactus have to be brought indoors for the Winter.
I can offer them light, but certainly not direct Sunlight for hours on end -
as I have awnings over all of my windows which limit the amount of light
coming into the home. So the best I can offer them is no watering and limited light.

I was led to believe that many Cactus require temps down as low as 45-degrees Fahrenheit over the Winter in order to bloom well in the Spring. Unfortunately I can't offer them those low temperatures in my home (My family and pets would freeze). So I'll do the best I can and hope for the best in the Spring ....and maybe I'll see some blooms from them in the Summer.
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Aug 12, 2017 6:56 PM CST

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Our winter minimum is about 45, and it always warms up into the 60s during the day. So no winter cold to speak of, and it doesn't seem to have interfered with blooming for most of the cacti that I have.

That may be a thing for the orchid cacti or holiday cacti, I don't grow those... but the ones on your list are not that type.

The most important thing is probably strong light around their bloom time. Maybe a shot of weak (1/4 strength) nutrients in the spring if you're going to leave them in the same pot for years on end. As you spend more time with your plants you will figure out their behavior, just try to be observant and don't water too much in the winter.
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mcvansoest
Aug 12, 2017 7:31 PM CST
I'd strongly recommend investing in some kind of grow light. Nothing fancy just something to supplement the limited daylight you are able to provide, that will definitely help them get through the winter better.
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AlanJ
Aug 13, 2017 11:04 AM CST
Baja_Costero said:Our winter minimum is about 45, and it always warms up into the 60s during the day. So no winter cold to speak of, and it doesn't seem to have interfered with blooming for most of the cacti that I have.

That may be a thing for the orchid cacti or holiday cacti, I don't grow those... but the ones on your list are not that type.

The most important thing is probably strong light around their bloom time. Maybe a shot of weak (1/4 strength) nutrients in the spring if you're going to leave them in the same pot for years on end. As you spend more time with your plants you will figure out their behavior, just try to be observant and don't water too much in the winter.


Well, they will all be indoors until about March - I am in Zone 7, but it can be quite cool/cold here in March, as it was this year all the way up until May - so there's no way of telling how long my Collection will be indoors this year.
I am unable to provide them with any supplemental lighting in my home, because it just is not possible in my living room - they will have to rely on the light that is provided them thru the windows. By Spring, they for sure will all be outdoors enjoying natural light.
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