Irises forum: I need an ID for these two

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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
May 30, 2017 5:22 AM CST
Small blossom
#1
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Smaller blossom #2

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This is the 5th yea these,this year has been the best for blooms. The smaller one has never bloomed.
Any help will be appreciated.
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
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grannysgarden
May 30, 2017 5:25 AM CST
What class is this in Jo Ann? Is it an MTB or a small blossom TB? No idea where to start looking without narrowing that down if possible. Smiling
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
May 30, 2017 5:26 AM CST
I don't believe it is a TB, Most likely MTB It is blooming with intermediates.
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
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crowrita1
May 30, 2017 6:16 AM CST
if the first is , you think, IB ,or MTB size, check out Swerti
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
May 30, 2017 8:06 AM CST
Swerti it is. thanks
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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Lestv
May 30, 2017 10:05 AM CST
Smaller blossom #2 looks like an MTB for sure. Like the veining on it.
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cat Lover Heucheras Hellebores Container Gardener
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ge1836
Jun 2, 2017 7:14 AM CST
Anyone care to guess ?
The blooms are small on this iris and the other one nearby.
I love them in a big clump.
Name: Robin
Melbourne, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Totally_Amazing
Jun 2, 2017 7:41 PM CST
The only irises I can find that are anything like your second NoID are Skyray and Petite Monet.
http://wiki.irises.org/bin/vie...
http://wiki.irises.org/bin/vie...
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
Jun 3, 2017 2:21 AM CST
Robin ,thanks so much .I believe it is Petit Monet.
Name: Marilyn
Central California (Zone 9b)
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Moiris
Jun 5, 2017 6:53 PM CST
Jo Ann, you might want to grow them side by side. Petite Monet does not appear to have the distinct burgundy and the base of the standards and on the hafts that your iris has. I really like your little guy, but so far have not been able to find any other possibilities. It's beautiful just the way it is! Good Luck!
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cat Lover Heucheras Hellebores Container Gardener
Birds Region: New York Irises Garden Ideas: Master Level Avid Green Pages Reviewer Lilies
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ge1836
Jun 6, 2017 2:12 AM CST
They do grow side be side.
I dug them at a local iris farm ages ago.They never did well until this year.The first one just exploded with blooms ,Petite Money had two stalks.
This is a photo from a week ago.




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Hope you can shed some light on this
Name: Marilyn
Central California (Zone 9b)
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Moiris
Jun 6, 2017 6:40 PM CST
When I said you might want to grow them side by side I meant if you really want to check for the name you could look for a rhizome of Petite Monet from a reliable source and plant it next to your 'Petite Monet/Noid' iris. Then when they bloom you can compare them. I just wrote about this process on another thread...I'll look for the link.

I do think the other iris looks like Swerti. You can check that ID by the same method if you want. I know several members grow Swerti so you could probably get a piece easily.

Winterberry sells Petite Monet http://winterberryirises.com/m...

Link to discussion of comparing irises for identification:
The thread "Lurker Coming Out of the Shadows...." in Irises forum
Post #1466184 near the bottom of the thread.

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