Roses forum: Suggestions for Z6a

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Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Jan 12, 2012 4:14 PM CST
I LOVE Honey Sweet. It's form and flowers look like hybrid teas (actually , they look how I wish that my hybrid teas looked) but it is classified as a shrub rose. Chamblees carries a lot of Buck roses including several that are "new to commerce". There were 10 roses given by Buck to friends that are just being released by Chamblees.

I also tried "Lavender Skies" (I think that is the name). It is tiny and struggling.

Thanks for suggestions for Buck roses. There are so many of them that it is hard to choose which ones to grow.
Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Jan 12, 2012 4:45 PM CST
Belinda's Dream, an Earthkind rose, doesn't do well in my garden. I chose to grow her because she is an offspring of Tiffany - my favorite hybrid tea rose. I moved her to a different part of the garden two years ago. She is still struggling. Earthkind roses are tested in Texas. Belinda may like warmer climates or I may have one from weak stock.
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Jan 12, 2012 4:52 PM CST
I think I've narrowed it down to Eden or Red Eden for the trellis, and I'm still going to get about 3 more, so thanks everyone.

Anything I should know about Eden or Red Eden, and is it OK to buy them from Brushwood?
Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Jan 14, 2012 2:50 PM CST
Have you looked into Quadra? It is a red explorer rose. I don't grow it - I like pastels. However, If I wanted to grow a red climbing rose, that is the one I would try. Other people love Don Juan.

This is where I read about Quadra.

http://davesgarden.com/communi...

Hope it is ok to post the link here. I am not trying to direct traffic, just to help choose roses.
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Jan 14, 2012 7:44 PM CST
Thanks Andi. No, I had never heard of Quadra. It's lovely, and it sure is vigorous.
Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Jan 17, 2012 2:30 AM CST
I don't think Quadra is fragrant, but it looks great in pictures. I like to try roses that have done well for people in colder zones than here. They may be more likely to survive the winter. My first roses didn't survive the winter, but they were big box grafted sale roses. Now that my roses are surviving more than a year, I feel more confident trying other varieties.

I grow two Canadian explorer roses - William Baffin and Jens Munk. Both are shades of dark pink. I have William Baffin growing with a Rubramargareta clematis. Jens Munk is usually one of the first roses to bloom. Both are winter hardy and disease resistant. Jens Munk doesn't like to get sprayed, typical of rugusa roses I have learned.

I grow Kordes Lavaglut, a red floribunda. NewYorkRita has a fabulous picture of a magnificent Lavaglut planting or three plants together. I grow just one. It is a young, own root plant, but it has nice blooms. It will be impressive when it "grows up."

Ironically, I don't grow a typical red hybrid tea rose. I probably should try one. Any suggestions for a red hybrid tea one 6a hardy rose, preferably one that does well own root? My favorite hybrid tea rose is Tiffany, a pink rose. I got it because my beloved late Westie's name was Tiffany. After killing two grafted specimens (and obtaining refunds) I tried an own root version that has survived two winters and counting....
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Jan 17, 2012 9:07 AM CST
Mr. Lincoln. Fragrant, long vaselife, gorgeous red that kinda fades to a deepish purply color.
Europeana. Extreme bloomer, not fragrant (for me). Blooming idiot.
Oklahoma. Fragrant, long vaselife, gorgeous red.
Olympia. Fragrant, long vaselife, gorgeous red.

All of these I've gotten at the Big Box stores & have survived my neglect & cold.
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Name: Cindi
Wichita, Kansas (Zone 7a)
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CindiKS
Jan 17, 2012 3:52 PM CST
Dublin Bay is hands down my favorite red climber. I have a dark purple clematis growing through it. Can't think of the clematis' name at the moment.
Red Eden is terrific, but here the blooms don't always open.
Chamblees ships nice roses for a fair price, and many of the 'Earthkind' designated roses ARE Buck roses, which definitely are cold hardy. I have all the Earthkind roses, and also grow many of the ones on the list waiting for the designation. Cold hardy here in Kansas means more than cold hardy in some place like upstate New York where the plants have a insulating blanket of snow.
There is one exception on the Earthkind roses. Belinda's Dream ALWAYS dies back to the ground for me. She doesn't get very big in the summer, either, but she blooms non-stop, and has no blackspot. Tiffany stays big, but oh my what a blackspot magnet. I love the form on Tiffany, but I finally gave her up when I decided not to spray. Our Rose Society keeps tabs on which Earthkind roses do the best here, and unless you have to have a high centered hybrid tea, you can't go wrong on Earthkind.
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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Jan 17, 2012 6:48 PM CST
Cindi, thanks for all the info! Why would you think the flowers on Red Eden would not open. Do you think it needs warmer climate? If so, that's out for me.
Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Jan 17, 2012 11:11 PM CST
Thanks for the tips on red roses.

I don't know about Red Eden, but some roses don't open when there has been rain or high humidity. The only time I have trouble with any of the ones I grow to open is if they were infested with aphids or other pest.

Tiffany gets sprayed with "plant aspirin" aka Bayer disease control. She is near my yellow Austins and other roses that get blackspot. All of my roses get neems/baking soda/soap spritz from time to time except Jens Munk.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Jan 18, 2012 9:15 AM CST
Andi - Thrips? Steve in AZ is the one who taught me about thrips and it sounds like the ones that I don't have opening up I'm guessing I have thrips. I use GreenLight Rose Spray for aphids (I've tried the foofoo stuff & they don't do squat) and the ones I sprayed all opened up. I didn't see aphids on the ones that didn't open up, but I didn't do the shake-test (shake a rose on a white piece of paper & see if a teensy-little-bitty fly-like bug falls down).
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Name: Andi
Boca Raton, FL (Zone 10b)
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GardenQuilts
Jan 21, 2012 6:00 AM CST
I don't think that I have encountered thrips. If I don't catch the aphids early enough in the spring, the first few blooms can be wonky. Darn bloodsucking creepy crawlie things. Aphids make my skin crawl. Wiping them off with a soapy paper towel or rag and spraying with neems keeps them in check.

From what I read, some roses's buds don't open well in damp weather. I think they call it balling or bunching? It is encountered in some antique roses in some climates. I know that there are lots of potential reasons for malformed buds. I was referring to certain roses that have a reputation for having problems in wet weather. I have encountered comments about it when researching antique roses. We have rainy springs and humid summers, so such roses wouldn't be the best choices for me. Unfortunately, I don't remember which roses had the problem.

I should have checked hmf before typing. It states red eden is "prone to balling". When I read that, I pick a different rose.
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Name: Cindi
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CindiKS
Jan 23, 2012 9:30 PM CST
Yep, I should have just said Eden balls up. Here, that happens after rain or a real foggy morning. We don't get that much rain or fog, so I don't let that stop me from buying a rose. One of my favorite roses is Auguste Renoir, and it is the worst for balling. On the other hand, if I cut it and bring it in as soon as it's a full bud, it will last 2 weeks or more in a vase, where it opens perfectly.
Don't know if it's because of our wind, or predatory insects or birds, but I don't get thrips or aphids. Knock on wood.
Polly, I think my roses are at their prettiest in cold weather. They open slowly and last much longer when it's cool. Their colors are deeper then, too.

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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Jan 23, 2012 9:32 PM CST
Polly - I agree w/Cindi - roses do marvelous in cooler weathers. Mine like the absolute best in October when it's no longer in the 90s... but by that time it's time for snow, too. Go figure...
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indygardengal
Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM CST
I have been smitten by "Acropolis' and can't find a supplier..Anyone know where I can purchase it?
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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM CST
Thanks again, ladies! I guess I really want the Red Eden, so what the heck, I might as well get it.

Where would be the best place to buy the David Austin roses? It doesn't look like David Austin company has very good feedback.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM CST
Polly - Roses Unlimited. Beautiful Beautiful BEAUTIFUL bare root roses. Shipping won't be too bad for you either. I can't praise them high enough even though I *personally* won't order from them any more. It's not the roses are bad.. they're NOT. It's 100% me & my bad weather/soil/drought
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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM CST
Thanks Toni! Off to look.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM CST

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My Acropolis came from Hortico, Veronica.
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chelle
Jan 24, 2012 3:10 PM CST
zuzu said:My Acropolis came from Hortico, Veronica.



Mine did too. Smiling
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