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Jun 3, 2017 2:41 PM CST
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Name: Kamasamudram Ravilochan
Denver, CO (Zone 5a)
I am in Parker, Colorado (5A) and have planted this climbing rose (New Blaze) which is supposed to do very well here. I have planted this about 3 weeks back. Please see the attached picture. I am worried that something is really wrong. What is going on? I have not fertilized this as I just planted it and would like for it to develop strong roots in the first year. I have pruned it after planting. As it is a grafted rose, I have planted the knot three inches below the ground. Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Jun 3, 2017 2:46 PM CST
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Jun 3, 2017 2:53 PM CST
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A possible iron or magnesium deficiency
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Jun 5, 2017 4:30 AM CST
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Jun 5, 2017 7:23 AM CST
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Name: Kamasamudram Ravilochan
Denver, CO (Zone 5a)
Thank you Calif_Sue and IrisLilli. I appreciate your responses. The other rose (America) on the other side of the arbor looks perfectly fine! That the two roses are so close together and one is not doing well bothers me! Can the mineral deficiency be so localized?
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Jun 5, 2017 5:28 PM CST
Name: Neal Linville
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I have seen localized mineral deficiency in my garden before, but I believe it was because one rose variety in the bed has a particular need or sensitivity since other roses aren't' affected. However I've never seen the symptoms your Blaze is showing.
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Jun 5, 2017 7:54 PM CST
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gemini_sage said:I have seen localized mineral deficiency in my garden before, but I believe it was because one rose variety in the bed has a particular need or sensitivity since other roses aren't' affected. However I've never seen the symptoms your Blaze is showing.

I agree with Neal - I too have never seen the symptoms your rose is displaying.
Not until I began googling around in an effort to help you. I came across a two photos of yellow " band veining" in the following links. Let me just say I could be entirely wrong but if this was my rose, I would discard it and it's soil in a plastic bag. I guess I am of the opinion - I would rather be safe than sorry. Of course, you could try the other suggestions first. Please keep in mind I could be mistaken, this is merely a suggestion based on the photos, it's grafted and your statement: "That the two roses are so close together and one is not doing well bothers me!".
From what I read, "they are not a risk for spreading the disease to healthy plants. "
http://www.heirloomroses.com/i...

http://aces.nmsu.edu/ces/plant...
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Jun 5, 2017 8:20 PM CST
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You don't have to get rid of your rose or your soil if it's rose mosaic virus. RMV is not contagious and it does not kill a rose. It may flower less than a rose without RMV, but I doubt that there's a Blaze in commerce without RMV at this point.
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Jun 5, 2017 9:50 PM CST
Name: Margie
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Zuzu, I have an older Blaze and it does not have RMV - it does not display these symptoms. What do you do to cure it? Thank goodness you are knowledgeable about RMV
I was reading on another forum that a Potassium deficiency can mimic RMV. And that the 1st years leaves look like RMV.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:02 PM CST
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There is no cure, and the symptoms don't show up in all of the plants that have the disease, or they might show up only after a number of years. The main thing, though, is that it's literally nothing to worry about. I have at least 200 roses in my garden that occasionally exhibit RMV symptoms, usually in spring. Some of them are 30 years old and they all perform as well as my other roses. All three of my Blaze roses have exhibited the symptoms at one time or another.

It's a very common and mostly harmless rose disease. I realize that the sight of a few marred leaves can be upsetting to some gardeners, but I personally like variegated foliage, so it doesn't upset me at all. Smiling I once read that there isn't a single Rose de Rescht in the United States without RMV. It was in all of the grafted Rose de Rescht bushes for so long that even the own-root ones would have it now because they would have had to originate as cuttings from an infected rose.
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Jun 5, 2017 10:30 PM CST
Name: Margie
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OK, Zuzu getting back to this lady's rose do you think it has RMV? Or do you think it has a mineral deficiency or potassium deficiency?
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Jun 5, 2017 11:10 PM CST
Name: Margie
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Jun 5, 2017 11:50 PM CST
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I don't know, Margie. The leaves on the OP's rose don't look like anything I've ever seen, but RMV can have many different patterns. I've never seen potassium deficiency, so I can't say anything about that. My response wasn't addressing the problem with the leaves. It was addressing your advice to get rid of the rose and the soil.
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Jun 6, 2017 1:31 AM CST
Name: Margie
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I think it's always best to start off with a healthy plant. Personally, I do not find this rose to be acceptable. From the provided photo it appears all the leaves are effected not just a few. The mere fact of not knowing what the problem is would lead me to discarding it and removing the soil. I do have a better understanding of RMV thanks to your explanation. However, if I was in the market to purchase Blaze or Rose de Rescht I would consider Heirloom Roses as a source because they use a process named "virus indexing" (virus free). Whenever we buy a new rose we "roll the dice" - I would just like to increase my odds of obtaining a healthy rose.
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Jun 6, 2017 2:09 AM CST
Name: Jai or Jack
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I can't say what's wrong with it (I'm not a rose diagnostician) but I can say that I would destroy this rose and plant something else where it currently is for at least a year.
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