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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 7, 2017 1:17 PM CST
Floribunda First Impression Color yellow Container Grown
Circumstances: No spray of Round-up. Light spray possible of 1/2 strength Miracle Grow, then 9 inches of rain in 4 days.

Noticed this bud that does not match plant
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Cane/ branch is way bigger than where it is coming out of. No thorns at all to check for excessive thorns on this growth.
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Leaves look different than rest of Rose leaves
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Same rose next to it has a rapid cane it looks like this. It looks OK. Being a yellow rose usually not alot of red growth except on the questionable area.
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What do you think could be wrong? Rose Rosette disease? Alot of weird growth up at the bud but no thorns. For sure I am planning on removing cane because it can not support that size growth.
Thank you for any input!

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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 7, 2017 4:15 PM CST
That could be odd but normal, healthy growth. However if you are planning to remove the cane anyway, that would be a good precaution. Then keep an eye on it .
Porkpal
Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 9, 2017 8:03 PM CST
@Porkpal Thank You for your kind reply.

May you have many extra special blessings this month!
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 9, 2017 9:03 PM CST
An thank you for the acorn!
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Name: Elaine
Sarasota, Fl
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dyzzypyxxy
Jun 9, 2017 9:47 PM CST
Sharon, am I the only one? I'm seeing something white and fuzzy on the underside of the leaf on the left of your pictures of the clump of odd growth. Mealybugs? Or something else?

Take a look tomorrow before you cut - it might just be a bug infestation causing weird leaves.
Elaine

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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jun 9, 2017 10:12 PM CST
Sharon ...

Is your rose budded ? I haven't seen a sucker on any of my roses for a long time so I can't recognize the foliage as being from Dr. H., but if you are looking at a sucker from the rootstock, that would explain both the different foliage and what seems to be strange growth.

If it IS a sucker, you don't want to cut it off. You need to tear it off where it is originating from beneath the soil. Otherwise you will leave behind a whole lot of little bud eyes that will shout for joy because it's their turn to sprout.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 10, 2017 1:32 AM CST
@RoseBlush1-- I believe that this container rose might be own root. Usually that is what I aim for in containers. Knowledge of roses is my gardening weakness. I started putting roses in for my daughter. If you click on the second picture, this "cane" is coming from a terminal end? Might have terminology wrong. Definitely not a rootstock sucker. It is at least twice the size of where it is coming out of. This piece has to be cut no support for it. But I am contemplating the cane if diseased

@dyzzypyxxy-- Two or more different neighbors, next door and upwind from me, have enormous (over 60 ft tall) female Cottonwood trees. My yard is coated white in places. All that rain just made a mess of it. That is what I thought the white was. I have to clean my a/c unit constantly it is like super fine clumps of cotton threads on there. This looked the same. I can go out tomorrow and recheck to make sure I am not assuming cottonwood. Will I be able to tell the difference? I know I miss spidermites sometimes because I think cottonwood and it's not. Other times I go out to do battle on spidermites to find out it's cottonwood. I can not stand those female cottonwoods would be an understatement.

May you have many extra special blessings this month!
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Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jun 10, 2017 6:20 AM CST
Sharon ...

I've never seen anything like it or read anything that would indicate disease. If it is not a sucker, and you are right, your second photo shows that it is not, the only other thing that I have even read about that could possibly explain it would be that the cane is a "sport". I don't think I am seeing a diseased cane, but no one knows it all. I may have just never read about anything like this. I know I've never experienced it in my own gardens ... Smiling

However, my rule of thumb is to trust your gardening instincts. If you think what you are seeing is impairing the health of the plant, then it is wise to remove it.

Your other choice is to give into your curiosity and see what develops ... Smiling

Long distance gardening really does make things a bit difficult in helping one make these kinds of decisions.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jun 10, 2017 9:29 AM CST
Thank you for the acorn.

Good luck with your rose ... Smiling
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 10, 2017 9:48 AM CST
@dyzzypyxxy. -Elaine, I think it is just Cottonwood seed. Crossing Fingers!

May you be blessed !
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Name: Elaine
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dyzzypyxxy
Jun 10, 2017 9:51 AM CST
Hurray!
Elaine

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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 25, 2017 10:36 AM CST
@RoseBlush1
@dyzzypyxxy
@Sooby

Originally when I asked my daughter looked and said fertilizer damage. Could I have gotten something on this-- most definitely. Could I have gotten Blue juice , Miracle Grow on it for a second time last Monday? I was spraying in the garden during a rain storm--yes. But now blooms did not go well on this rose cane. I looked and said, " Roses can not get Asters Yellow." I hope that is still true. What do you think could be going on? First picture can not see but one pretty OK bloom Then another bloom with a lot of green on half the tips of petals, and what looks to be a bud in center, one bloom mangled green (left side). No thorns at all. Second picture is another bloom that the petals came off. Center of it lots of buds. Help!!

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Many blessings for your continued guidance and success!
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Name: Sharon Rose
Grapevine, TX (Zone 8a)
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 25, 2017 10:48 AM CST
For comparison this is what blooms are looking like on other parts of the rose / bloom/ center of spent bloom.
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May you be blessed!
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 25, 2017 11:40 AM CST
I'm no expert on roses but one of the flowers in your picture seems to have green growth in the middle, which suggests what is called "proliferation".

https://www.google.ca/search?q...

Hopefully Lyn or Elaine will have some ideas.
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Calif_Sue
Jun 25, 2017 11:51 AM CST

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Yep, sooby got it!
Some say it can happen from being fed too high nitrogen but some roses, for unknown reasons, just throw out those blooms on occasion. Not harmful. nodding
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Tisha
Jun 25, 2017 12:05 PM CST
On questionable stalk leaf small worm. Don`t think that is the problem on odd stem, but are there any little guys on the healthy foliage? Sneaky little deviles
Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jun 25, 2017 12:09 PM CST
Thank You! Sue! @Sooby

I think you are right! These pictures look like what I am seeing, just on this crazy new branch/cane. I really do not know anything about roses! SCARED me to death, with all my Coneflowers, Marigolds, and Zinnias and other roses, when I saw all that extra growth in bud. Gives my heart relief for all my plants! Read very quickly temperature variations might be a factor, too. That describes the weather here. And extra fertilizer this year during rain storms. Your help is always appreciated, you are a valuable resource! Throwing you a great big kiss and hug Hurray!

May you be extremely well blessed this summer!

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Jun 25, 2017 12:38 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! happy for you Hurray! Hurray!
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jun 25, 2017 12:44 PM CST
Good call, Sue ... I tip my hat to you.

Sharon ....

I don't know what your temps are right now. I do know mine are beyond HOT. The rule of thumb about fertilizing during periods of high temps is to saturate the soil the day before you fertilize so that the plants are fully hydrated. Then use a drench fertilizer, if you are using liquid fertilizers.

I personally avoid putting anything on the leaves of any plant during periods of high temps other than water because my theory is that it may mess with the functioning of the leaves. Do I know that is true ? Nope. It's just kind of an intuitive theory .. Sticking tongue out
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sooby
Jun 25, 2017 12:47 PM CST
Hurray! Glad I got it right Big Grin Thanks for the acorns, Sharon.

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