Plant ID forum: Please ID tree/large shrub

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Name: Susan
Vienna, VA (Zone 7a)
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Muddy1
Jun 9, 2017 8:41 AM CST
This plant is growing in a neighbor's yard in northern Virginia, Zone 7a.
She thought it was supposed to be a shrub, but it looks more like a tree.
Note that the bark on the upper part of the plant (5th photo) is much different than the bark towards the bottom (4th photo).
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 9, 2017 10:28 AM CST
The leaves make me think first of an elm, but the bark is more like a beech.
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islander
Jun 9, 2017 10:49 AM CST
Makes me think of a Chinese Elm
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 9, 2017 11:52 AM CST
My Chinese elms have much smaller leaves.
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Name: Susan
Vienna, VA (Zone 7a)
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Muddy1
Jun 9, 2017 11:56 AM CST
If it is an Elm, it should be a native species, because this neighbor asked her landscaper to plant only U.S. natives.
Would additional photos be useful?
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Frillylily
Jun 9, 2017 12:25 PM CST
an alder?
Name: Susan
Vienna, VA (Zone 7a)
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Muddy1
Jun 9, 2017 1:32 PM CST
Here are some close-ups of the leaves, front and back, in case it helps.
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Silversurfer
Jun 9, 2017 2:00 PM CST
Leaves look like Ulmus sp...an Elm.
Could it be Ulmus americana?

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Name: Susan
Vienna, VA (Zone 7a)
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Muddy1
Jun 9, 2017 4:15 PM CST
That's looking more and more likely!
If it is Ulmus americana, would it be possible to move it to a more suitable location (i.e., farther from the house) at this stage of growth?
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 9, 2017 6:51 PM CST
Does the young bark not seem odd for elm?
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islander
Jun 9, 2017 6:59 PM CST
I've seen that bark on winged elm suckers.
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Name: Susan
Vienna, VA (Zone 7a)
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Muddy1
Jun 10, 2017 4:29 PM CST
Thanks for the insights, everyone!

The consensus seems to be that it is Ulmus sp., which might be all my neighbor needs to know.

Unless anyone has other thoughts, I'll close this thread.
Name: John
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ViburnumValley
Jun 10, 2017 5:16 PM CST
It is absolutely a young vigorous Elm - everything shown is classic. Thank you, Muddy1, for diligently showing all the information and in the most appropriate sequence. I love the obverse and reverse images of the clearly oblique leaf bases...

If indeed the landscape contractor was planting natives, then this is certainly going to be an UImus americana selection - and the bark changing character as it ages matches American Elm behavior. It doesn't appear to be very large caliper, but that is the one part of the tree you didn't show.

I say go ahead and plan to transplant it during the dormant season (after leaf drop this fall). Elms transplant incredibly easily.
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Name: Susan
Vienna, VA (Zone 7a)
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Muddy1
Jun 10, 2017 5:34 PM CST
Thanks for the confirmation, John, and for the advice regarding transplant time, if my neighbor decides to have that done!

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