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Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 11:14 AM CST
Okay, I know this one is a reach and I'll probably have to wait until it flowers, but....
I have a bunch of these, seeds may have come in trade or been snatched from the Botanical Garden, okay, I admit it. I've been back there and see nothing with foliage looking like this......You guys are good at this, maybe someone knows exactly what it is...lol...

TIA
Sherry
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I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
Region: United Kingdom Plant Identifier
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Silversurfer
Jun 11, 2017 12:02 PM CST
Possibly Salix sp.
A willow tree.
They are rather hard to id.

It looks as if it may have powdery mildew.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jun 11, 2017 12:10 PM CST
I don't see willow...
Porkpal
Name: Lin
Florida Zone 9b, 10a

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plantladylin
Jun 11, 2017 12:12 PM CST
It does look like willow, Salix

An article about some found in the PNW: http://nativeplantspnw.com/wil...
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Name: Lin
Florida Zone 9b, 10a

Region: United States of America Deer Region: Florida Charter ATP Member Million Pollinator Garden Challenge I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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plantladylin
Jun 11, 2017 12:32 PM CST
Well, now I'm not so sure about Salix. I've googled for photos and found a photo with leaves that looked very similar to those in your photos but my laptop shut down and now I can't find the page again so it may not have been Salix I was looking at. Here's a photo of one for comparison but I don't know if it's actually Willow https://upload.wikimedia.org/w...
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Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 1:11 PM CST
Nope, not that one, Lin...

I would not have collected seed of willow. though it is possible that some came in in trade as a mistake...I somehow do not think willow..

No powdery mildew...

The new leaves have a pink / bronze blush....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Salt Spring Island, BC (Zone 8b)
Dahlias Region: Pacific Northwest Cut Flowers Keeper of Poultry Region: Canadian Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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islander
Jun 11, 2017 1:48 PM CST
I also thought Salix but I recall Malus can have this look.
He who plants a garden plants happiness.
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 2:39 PM CST
The leaves to the right are from my Pink Willow...

Leaves to the left are from the unknown plant. I'm thinking Shrub rather than Tree and its bearing to me seems sturdier, stiffer than salix. What might look like powdery mildew is the look of the new leaves, pinkish with a look almost of panne velvet...a very slight shiny velevety look, a bit of furry look...


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I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
Region: United Kingdom Plant Identifier
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Silversurfer
Jun 11, 2017 3:19 PM CST
Salix come in all shapes and sizes from creeping dwarf shrubs to huge trees.
Tiny leaves to long thin leaves.
Soft hairy leaves to shiny .
Blue leaves to deep green.
Some leaves even with a red tinge.

https://mammothwillow.co.uk/sh...


I cannot take the id further as there are over 400 sp...I just feel it looks right for a willow..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

They even arrive in pots as a gift from the birds
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 3:38 PM CST
lol...thank you...these would have been sown by me as I have quite a few of them that lost a main label. I would not have collected seed from something unless it had a flower that I appreciated, they are not volunteers...my only thought can be that they came to me as something else possibly. We will wait and see what they do.....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 11, 2017 4:47 PM CST
Maybe it's my imagination but are there stipules at some of the leaf bases? They are a characteristic that is used to separate the willows from each other, and I keep thinking I can see some on your plants. Can you verify, Sherry? They should look something like this example:

https://www.google.ca/search?q...:
Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
Sunset zone 22, USDA zone 10 A.
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ctcarol
Jun 11, 2017 4:51 PM CST
I see those on the new growth...not on mature leaves.
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 6:11 PM CST
Does this help at all?

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I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 11, 2017 6:21 PM CST
Yes it does, definitely stipules which narrows down the options. With willows they can be present temporarily or more permanent depending on species. Some other plants have them too but I don't recall off the top of my head what, if any, might have the same shaped stipules. Maybe this will help someone figure it out, otherwise I can try and do some sleuthing tomorrow.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
Jun 11, 2017 6:22 PM CST
Great pictures; I hope they lead to a definite ID.
Porkpal
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 8:05 PM CST
Amazing...lol..I'm always learning new things here...though I can see that I will never figure out where these seeds came from, who gave them to me. I have a lot of seeds...then to know what they are and if they are of any use here, etc...surprises. I did a lot of Winter Sowing Winter before last and these would have been from that batch....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Name: Sherry
Northern California
Sunset Zone 17
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Region: Pacific Northwest Seed Starter Region: California Plant Identifier
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wcgypsy
Jun 11, 2017 11:53 PM CST
Okay, so I'm googling images of various salix...'leathery leaves veined pink new growth stipules'...and I see a pic that looks like it...and what does it say about it? "Unidentified Willow"...lol..herein lies the problem...
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
The Urge for Seeds is Strong in This One.....
Salt Spring Island, BC (Zone 8b)
Dahlias Region: Pacific Northwest Cut Flowers Keeper of Poultry Region: Canadian Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
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islander
Jun 12, 2017 1:57 AM CST
try Salix bebbiana
He who plants a garden plants happiness.
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
Region: United Kingdom Plant Identifier
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Silversurfer
Jun 12, 2017 2:21 AM CST

Salix caprea would have been my first guess.
We used to have the weeping form The Kilmarnock willow.
In the spring the leaves had the same furryness and colour as your plant.
But as already mentioned there are many sp!

http://imgs.leadthegoodlife.co...

The name of your willow is surely irrelevant.
It will grow very fast into a huge tree.
Dispose of it before it gets any larger!
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
Daylilies Birds Enjoys or suffers cold winters Native Plants and Wildflowers Butterflies Annuals
Region: Canadian Keeps Horses Dog Lover Plant Identifier Garden Sages
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sooby
Jun 12, 2017 2:32 AM CST
Having tried to ID a willow with the actual specimen in front of me, I like this comment from the Herbarium of the University of Wisconsin under Salix bebbiana:

"The willow species are difficult to distinguish and any "shortcuts" around the proven keys are likely to result in frequent errors. There are a total of 17 willow shrub species and there is no reliable key that does not involve flowers to some degree. The keys in Michigan Flora vol 2 by Edward Voss are recommended, but this is not a genus for the faint of heart."

https://www.uwgb.edu/biodivers...

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