Roses forum: Roses on a Rainy Utah Morning

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Name: Paul
Utah (Zone 5b)
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Paul2032
Jun 13, 2017 8:50 AM CST
We were well into the 90's each day and then yesterday a cold front came in and we were in the 60's. It rained last night and I needed a jacket when I went out into the garden this morning to take pictures. I don't think my plants have ever looked nicer......
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Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Name: Lilli
Copenhagen, Denmark, EU
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IrisLilli
Jun 15, 2017 4:02 AM CST
Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Lovey dubby
You don't know if it will grow until you try!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jun 15, 2017 8:35 AM CST
Paul ...

Sorry to be so late for my drooling session ... Drooling Drooling

It makes sense to me that your roses would be looking "nicer" after a hard prune and lots of water. The hard prune pushed them to grow new wood, which is generally more efficient than old wood. Lots of water, always makes a difference.

btw ... how much water do you generally give your roses ?
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Paul
Utah (Zone 5b)
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Paul2032
Jun 15, 2017 10:30 AM CST
Lynn.......I overhead water a couple days a week with sprinklers. We have a secondary water system here that is reasonable. I wouldn't be able to do it using culinary water.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jun 15, 2017 12:08 PM CST
Thanks, Paul ... I tip my hat to you.

I guess I am lucky in that I live in a County-of-origin for water in California. My water rates are very reasonable. Also, my property is located on a watershed, so any water that the plants don't take up, goes right back to the river ... Smiling
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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Steve812
Sep 13, 2017 8:29 AM CST
Lovely photos, Paul. And inspiring, too. I love to see it when people in cold winter climates are successful with hybrid tea roses. I'm especially struck by Spellbound and the way the foliage sets off the blossoms. Thanks for the good show. Thank You!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Sep 13, 2017 9:24 AM CST
@Steve812 ...

re: 'Spellbound', if you can get it, the rose was one of Keith Zary's roses sold by J & P and was a part of the "New Generation Series", which was their experiement in selling own root roses.

The patent is dated March 2008.

The rose is sold by Chill Out! Roses in Alaska, so I think it would be cold hardy for you. Smiling

The patent says it is compact and is perfect for containers. I am certain you could meet its water needs, if you grew it as a container rose.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Roses Irises Lilies
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Steve812
Sep 13, 2017 11:49 AM CST
Thanks Lyn!
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Sep 13, 2017 7:29 PM CST
It also has thick petal substance and should hold up to the heat and not fry ... Smiling
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Roses Irises Lilies
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Steve812
Sep 14, 2017 7:16 AM CST
I do get a fair number of crispy rose petals here, so that is a useful distinction. nodding
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
Garden Ideas: Level 1 Garden Sages Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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RoseBlush1
Sep 14, 2017 11:20 AM CST
Steve ...

I have been reading the patents on many of the Keith Zary roses because I love the rose 'Fabulous' and it holds up very well in the heat in my garden. It is a Zary rose as is 'Timeless' ... btw Regan has more shipping dates than previously mentioned.

Many of the patents for his roses mention thick petal substance. I think, but do not know, this may be a trait he may have had as a breeding goal as it shows up in so many of his roses.

I garden at a lower elevation than you do, so I can't give you info about hardiness, but 'Fabulous' has always been disease free in my gardens. Margie told me that she had read that it can get bs. So, you would have to do your own research.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Long Island, NY (Zone 6b)
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MargieNY
Sep 14, 2017 4:19 PM CST
Lynn stated: "I garden at a lower elevation than you do, so I can't give you info about hardiness, but 'Fabulous' has always been disease free in my gardens. Margie told me that she had read that it can get bs. So, you would have to do your own research."

That is correct. It states it on HMF:
"Disease susceptibility: very disease resistant, susceptible to blackspot ."
https://www.helpmefind.com/ros...
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Roses Irises Lilies
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Steve812
Sep 14, 2017 7:10 PM CST
Lyn, thank you for your recommendation of Fabulous. I'm glad to hear that it does well in your garden. I agree that thick petals help keep roses from crisping in dry weather. It looks to me like Zary's breeding agenda for Fabulous was to create a little bloom machine that cranks out white roses. I was interested to see how pretty the roses that it produces actually are when I saw them at HMF.

I'll keep it in mind.

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