Daylilies forum: "Gifting" seeds to nature

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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 13, 2017 9:59 AM CST
Hello everyone, for this year I have the idea of collecting bee pods and spread seeds along roads that have lots of wild flowers and herbs. There are many spots here along roads (one road is in a wood) that can be easily accessed so I thought of trying to let daylilies seeds I don't want in the surrounding. Trying to mimic nature, should I drop open pods to the ground? would it be ok?
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 13, 2017 3:18 PM CST
Cultivated daylilies normally are not grown in the wild like wild flowers (ditch lilies may be the exception) but normally, you don't see the latest hybrids growing out in the wild.
My first thought right off hand would be is it legal? So sad, but it has gotten to the point you have to check with a lawyer before you sneeze.
Name: Diana
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 13, 2017 11:09 PM CST
I thought the exact same thing...
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Name: Tracey
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magnolialover
Jun 14, 2017 6:25 AM CST
It would be a nice thing to try. Keep track of where you placed them, and check back in a year. That way you'll see if anything came of your trials. It sounds like a nice way to beautify the roadsides. In nature, it is survival of the fittest, if it is not tough, even if it does germinate it won't last very many years. Good luck!
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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 14, 2017 9:02 AM CST
Diana and Larry, I see your point. I thought about it too, but after all I'm only going to let some seeds here and there. They won't be the latest hybrids because usually only Stella de Oro and few other small dips get impollinated by bees.
I doubt they'll survive among wild weeds but it would be nice to try.
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Name: Diana
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 14, 2017 12:19 PM CST
Our dept of roads has dliberately planted wildflowers along some roadways. I think the idea is awesome. Perhaps you'll need to follow the 11th commandment- "Don't get caught"
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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 14, 2017 1:26 PM CST
I know we can't take anything from woods and it's fine, for giving something to woods I really don't know.
There are some ditch lilies around here, but I doubt they are spontaneus.
So, should I bring mature pods with me and let them fall to the ground? Would it be enough?
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 14, 2017 1:43 PM CST
They probably won't survive competing with the native plants but if they did you'd be giving more food to the gall midges to increase their presence. I thought you had said earlier that there weren't any other daylilies around that could be encouraging the gall midge, but if you have ditch lilies around that's a possible source. Or do the ditch lilies flower too late there to have gall midge problems?

A better use for your extra seeds might be some germination and seed starting experiments to see what works best for you. Smiling
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 14, 2017 2:02 PM CST
Ditch lilies are here and there, in some private garden and along roads. Not many. They are flowering now, I guess they started a week or two ago.
I usually can't look very well at the clumps along roads because there's no place to stop the car, but the ones in private gardens always look good. Gall midge is a mistery, it seemed that my DLs were the only one affected the past year and this year no signs of gall midge. I removed and checked some suspiciuos buds and opened them, but there were no larvae or other things. All the flowers are healthy now.

I can't do much experimenting with diploids seeds, they always germinate fast for me and with little or no trouble. I'd love to grow any seed I get, I have a friend (she's far) that loves flowers and would like to enrich her garden but she can't grow plants from seeds. So, I should do it for her but space isn't much!
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Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Jun 15, 2017 10:09 AM CST
Please do not do this, with daylilies or any other plant.

Natural populations of plants have evolved together and can usually compete successfully in appropriate environments. However, when a 'foreign' plant is introduced disasters can occur. The plant can become an invasive weed in the new location. It can outcompete native species and cause them to decline, etc. There are "accidental" introductions of foreign species that cause severe problems. Please do not consider a deliberate introduction into the "wild", that is, outside of completely controlled situations.
Maurice
Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 17, 2017 3:37 AM CST
Never thought about it from this point of view, but it makes sense Maurice.

Ditch lilies live here, so my first thought was to let some of their descendants try to live as well.
If it can lead to problems in the environment I will not do it.
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Jun 17, 2017 1:33 PM CST
For ditch lilies it is too late; they were introduced a very long time. They are triploids and basically seed sterile. Although they are invasive they cannot spread by seed. They cannot change the genetics and evolution of any natural populations.

Even re-introducing a plant or animal back into its own natural range (after it has been exterminated) may be difficult for wildlife scientists and there can be many problems.

We should never release any plant (or animal) into nature.
Maurice
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 18, 2017 4:28 AM CST
I never thought ditch lilies could be a problem. I don't know if they are an autochthonous species here or not.
Your post makes sense, so I will not release seeds in the wild. I was totally overlooking the potential dangers coming from alien species. I'm not sure abut daylilies being so alien but I will keep seeds for me.
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 18, 2017 4:38 AM CST
Daylilies are not native to Europe, they were introduced from Asia a long time ago and some have naturalized. As far as I recall the naturalization is limited to Hemerocallis fulva 'Europa' (ditch lily) and Hemerocallis lilioasphdodelus (syn. flava, the "lemon lily").
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 18, 2017 4:40 AM CST
Thanks Sue. never saw other daylilies apart from Hemerocallis Fulva.
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 18, 2017 4:43 AM CST
This italian page gives Hemerocallis lilioasphodelus as an endemic species http://dryades.units.it/ampezz...
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 18, 2017 5:09 AM CST
Yes, so do other articles but it is said to be incorrect and no Hemerocallis (as we know them) were known there until sometime around the middle of the 16th century. I think the story is that the name Hemerocallis had been used previously for a different plant before daylilies and that caused some confusion as to its origin (which is said to be China in Erhardt's book Hemerocallis - Daylilies, and in the AHS 2002 Daylily Handbook it is given as Temperate E. Asia).

See also:
http://www.hemerocallis-specie...

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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 18, 2017 6:21 AM CST
Thanks for the link, and for the interesting post.
Regardless of where these species are endemic or not, I won't let the seeds around.
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