Tropicals forum: cedar poles for climbing?

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Amazindirt
Jun 13, 2017 5:57 PM CST
I've got a lot of cedar trees, all sizes. I'm wondering -- will climbing philodendrons climb cedar? I just can't decide whether the cedar oils would deter or harm them. No, I'm not talking about climbing up a live tree -- I'm talking about cutting young trunks to use as climbing poles in large pots.

Any input welcome!
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WillC
Jun 17, 2017 9:42 AM CST
Philodendrons and most potted climbing plants will not attach to any type of pole unless that pole is kept wet at all times. It is the moisture that triggers the development of roots at the nodes and those roots will cling to the wet surface of the pole. This is hard to accomplish indoors because the environment is not humid enough to keep the pole constantly damp. Some have success by using a cylinder of wire mesh stuffed with damp sphagnum moss. The moss will retain moisture longer than wood.

Otherwise, you will have to find an artificial way to attach the vines. That would be ties of some type or by wrapping the vines around the pole by hand.
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purpleinopp
Jun 20, 2017 7:18 AM CST
What kind of Philo is in question? I've had heart-leaf aerial roots attach to anything in which they come in contact, various kinds of natural and treated wood, painted wood, aluminum siding, painted interior walls, other plants, plastic pots, wood paneling, rocks.

I've put a few pics of these attachments in the entry below, but that is the kind of thing that is hard to observe from a pic. You can't tell they're stuck to a surface without feeling it, and my photography skills are rudimentary.
Heart Leaf Vine (Philodendron hederaceum var. oxycardium)

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Amazindirt
Jul 1, 2017 4:05 PM CST
Thanks, guys! I hadn't thought of the constant-moisture aspect -- good thing to think about.

Tiffany, I have four types: the common Philodendron hederaceum 'Brasil', Philodendron 'Painted Lady' and Philodendron 'Rising Sun' (I'm counting these as the same type -- they are very similar), Philodendron 'Florida Beauty' variegated, and Monstera deliciosa variegated. Yes, I love variegation. And yes, I know that Monstera isn't quite a philodendron. ;-)

Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jul 1, 2017 4:31 PM CST
Sounds like a lovely collection!

Here's a 'Micans' that is using an old ladder as its' plant stand. It has attached roots in quite a few places. The ladder does not get wet, under porch roof.
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The line-shaped marks are from where I pulled some loose.
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Amazindirt
Jul 1, 2017 8:24 PM CST
Nice pics!

You are making me wonder about possibly building a teepee of some sort for vines to crawl up. For instance, I have tons of smooth sumac, which makes straight pole-like trunks much like bamboo before sending out an umbrella of leaves at the top. One possibility would be to make a teepee of sumac poles and wrap them in sphagnum secured with fishing line. Then I wouldn't have to worry about noxious oils from cedar. Hmmmmm.....
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jul 2, 2017 5:33 AM CST
Thanks! If your goal is to just have upward growth instead of a hanging, dangling plant, the vines don't need to attach. You can wind the vines around any kind of support, whether they attach or not, like tomato cages, added from the start or as a plant outgrows its' original pole.

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Amazindirt
Jul 3, 2017 12:02 PM CST
Great ideas. Tomato cages -- covered in sphagnum for extra moisture. Cattle panels covered in sphagnum. The possibilities are endless. Smiling
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jul 3, 2017 12:05 PM CST
TYVM! But they are not my ideas, just my manifestation of them. Smiling

I've never done anything with sphagnum but a lot of people do.
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