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Jun 21, 2017 1:07 PM CST
We've had a luxuriant patch of monarda, probably Jacob Klein, for around 20 years, maybe longer. It spread and didn't require weeding and bloomed gloriously. This year it didn't even sprout. I know perennials don't live forever, but would they all die off at once? Presumably there were plants of all ages there. And no weeds grew in that plot this spring or summer. That's weird. I've included one photo from its heyday and 3 from this week.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 21, 2017 1:19 PM CST
Is it under a black walnut?
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woofie
Jun 21, 2017 1:31 PM CST
Odd that it's only the Monarda that was affected. Could it have been killed by a Monarda-specific disease last fall?
I have no idea, but the bare spot just looks weird.
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LAS14
Jun 21, 2017 6:13 PM CST
To Daisyl - no, not under a black walnut.

scheul
May 9, 2018 8:08 PM CST
The exact thing just happened to mine and it has been beautiful and spreading for 12 years. Obviously, it isn't all the same age. Interestingly, 3 plants remain at the periphery.
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Jun 6, 2018 2:13 PM CST
One year later. We re-planted a half dozen Jacob Cline. They seemed to do OK last summer, but none returned this year. It's an almost empty spot.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 6, 2018 8:36 PM CST
Mine, after 5 years of spreading outward (with nothing coming up in the middle) are gone. Maybe they do die of old age. Confused
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Name: stone
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stone
Jun 7, 2018 12:46 PM CST
Sounds like a toss-up between a monarda specific pathogen or a used up micronutrient necessary to the plant.

Have you all ever grown Chinese foxglove?
It likes to move around the garden... force it to stay in one spot, and it dies.
for all it's habit of moving around, I've never seen it to get out of hand... it just seems to need nutrients that are gone after a season.

around here, I see people with these expanding patches of monarda... to the point where they'd be happy to see it die off...

I did observe a patch of Malvaviscus arboreus mostly die out one year in someone's garden... I figured it had been exposed to poison or something.
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Jun 7, 2018 1:58 PM CST
Interesting idea about used up micro-nutrient. I suppose I could do send a soil test to the extension agent and request the micro-nutrients. Do you think that covers all the possible ones and I could spot one that was completely missing?
Name: Virginia
Charleston, SC (Zone 8b)
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scvirginia
Jun 7, 2018 4:37 PM CST
I agree A soil test is a good idea.

I'm also wondering if I see wood chip mulch in the area where the monardas were, and if that could have played a role. Sometimes commercial wood products- even things that are destined to be garden products- can be sprayed with herbicides, fungicides or pesticides that persist and affect the gardens they end up in.

Just a thought.

Good luck,
Virginia
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 7, 2018 5:49 PM CST
Same thing happened to Monarda 'Raspberry Wine' here except for some I planted at the edge of a pond. They're still going strong while the ones in the flower bed suddenly died out so only a few shoots are left on the outside. It was taking over everything else at one point a few years ago then suddenly almost nothing left. Very doubtful it would be a micronutrient deficiency in this case. Also with a micronutrient deficiency you would most likely see signs before demise.
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quercusnut
Jun 7, 2018 9:30 PM CST
Maybe it's a bug, fungus or critter we haven't heard about yet? Look what happened to impatiens in recent years with downy mildew.
My Jacob Clines are still going strong for about 10 years now and spreading. I'll keep a lookout after seeing this thread.
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sallyg
Jun 8, 2018 5:57 AM CST
Not Monarda, but I had Ajuga volunteer all over beneath a redbud tree, decided to embrace it, only to have it suddenly be overtaken by wild violets. Puzzling.
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