Plant ID forum: Sempervivum identification

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Name: Shynon72
Riverton Utah
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Shynon72
Jun 22, 2017 12:51 AM CST
Hello, I am curious about my new addition. Does anyone know what variety of sempervivum this is? The mother plant is about 5 inches across.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Jun 22, 2017 1:49 AM CST

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@valleylynn can you help?
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Name: Tiffany Wreathfreshâ„¢
Puget Sound, WA (Zone 8b)
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LivingWreaths
Jun 22, 2017 2:19 AM CST
Welcome! I'm a recent newbie, too. Here's the Scoop... And I've learned the hard way, keep the tags when you buy them at the nursery. if they don't have tags, or the tags don't have a specific varietal named, they're called, " NOID'S" (No ID's-- or is I'm trying to coin, "Free Range Semps" [pronounced 'Fers'] Smiling ).
So don't label it "Ruby Hearts," as it reminds me (Cuz prob isn't), and you can't ID them on visual inspection (I'm learning!). But yours is beautiful and I love it! Plus love when other newbies join, as much precious knowledge is floating around, and fun to have it shared with us newbies.
All the experts, please weigh in...
Welcome, Shynon72 [fellow X-er who gardens]!
Richmond, VA
VAgardener
Jun 22, 2017 6:36 AM CST
It looks like chicks and hens to me. You'll want to place it in a pot with a much larger diameter than the plant itself so that the small offspring to the sides can root. This is a pretty fast grower and a fun plant to have.
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Jun 22, 2017 7:39 AM CST

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Hen and chicks (one momma, several babies nodding ) is a common name for sempervivums, original poster was hoping for a cultivar ID and I agree, they are variable enough that a positive ID is usually not possible.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 22, 2017 9:23 AM CST
Hi Shynon, and Welcome! to NGA.

That is a healthy looking sempervivum you have there. And it looks like it is developing some nice watermarks. You can really see them at the tips of the new leaves.
Looks like you already received some great advice. You have a beautiful NOID. Occasionally one can be IDed because it has something about it is really unusual, like 'Oddity' or 'Fame Monstrose'.



I hope you will join us in the Sempervivum Forum. We have so much fun sharing photos and talking about all things semps. Smiling
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 22, 2017 9:43 AM CST
@valleylynn what are watermarks and what do they mean?
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Jun 22, 2017 9:55 AM CST

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Some semps have a waxy type surface (not technical here!) and seem to display an imprint from the developing leaves, a 'watermark' so to speak. Not all semps have this, some have it quite obviously and carry it year round.

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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 22, 2017 10:27 AM CST
Thanks, Sue. Those are the little stripes running across the newer leaves?
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
Sunset Zone 15
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Calif_Sue
Jun 22, 2017 10:28 AM CST

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Yep, look like watermarks. nodding
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Name: Shynon72
Riverton Utah
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Shynon72
Jun 22, 2017 11:18 AM CST
Thank you everyone for all the help! So if it's a Sempervivum I can plant outside in zone 6b, correct? Fingers crossed!
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jun 22, 2017 4:59 PM CST
Hurray! Yes, you can definitely plant it outdoors. They do not like to be indoors. And remember they are alpine plants, so love cold snowy winters.
You might have to give it afternoon shade in your harsher summer conditions.

Quoting our sempervivum expert:
JungleShadows said:Yes the watermarks are from uneven distribution of surface waxes that causes the underlying anthocyanin colored cells beneath to have different shades. Think about adding candle wax over a basic clear color in different amounts and you have an idea as to how the colors can be affected. It adds a lot of distinction and beauty to those that exhibit these characteristics.

One of the sibs to 'Borscht' has the strongest contrast in the watermarks that I have seen and it seems to pass it on to its seedlings too.

Lynn is right about the clinic. All the semp crazies in one spot!

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Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
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Baja_Costero
Jun 23, 2017 1:54 PM CST
Those watermarks look a lot like a miniature version of what I would call crossbanding on agaves.



Thank you for the illustrations, Lynn and Sue.
Sierra Vista, AZ
tanner9595
Jun 23, 2017 2:33 PM CST
I've seen something similar but larger with long arms growing from it, that looked like dragon tails. Wish I had a photo of it, most interesting, It was in Indiana growing in the ground. Cold had no effect it seem on it.

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