Plant ID forum: What is the name of this small magenta rose

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Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Jun 23, 2017 6:36 AM CST
A little background. I live in Zone 5a, in the mountains in a valley. I live near a mountain creek and across the street from a meadow that blows northeastern winds, nice breezes in summer.

One if the previous owners of this house I stewart had put roses in with the peonies, now extracted by me years ago. Most are grandifloras, pink, but haven't bloomed in some time. I made a rose bed for the roses I extracted but it has now become my wild raspberry bed and the grandifloras are my sacrificial plants for bugs.

At one time I had a candy stripe rose. Oh how beautiful! Now gone. So the previous owner had some taste in roses but no smarts. Zone 5a is no place for roses except the old multi thorny small flowered yellow kind. I don't know the name. I would like help with that too.

Ok to why I'm writing. One rose has tried so hard to bloom. It usually builds up steam by early fall when it is too late. It has bloomed before.

This year was different. This past winter I protected the plant with aluminum flashing and mulch. It is blooming now right at summer solstice. It is about 2' high and gets to be 3' high at the most. It is no more than 2-3 stems. There is another "bush" next to it. I don't know what it is. We had a lot of rain. It is in a highly acidic spot. The blooms are 3 - 3 1/2" deep red velvety solid until it completely unfolds then it is double petaled with a magenta tinge almost surreal. The middle is pale yellow.

It looks exactly like a Dr. Huey but it is in Zone 5a and so not behaving like a Dr. Huey. It never gets a chance to grow so it acts like a "bush". When protected it sends out flowers on time, if weather permits. It has almost no fragrance. It may have a slight fragrance but hardly noteworthy.

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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jun 23, 2017 7:38 AM CST
The foliage does not look like Dr Huey to me.
Porkpal
Name: Anita
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Lioba
Jun 23, 2017 7:54 AM CST
The foliage is a darker green.
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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jun 23, 2017 8:59 AM CST
If the color in the photos is accurate, it looks too bright for Dr. Huey. Dr. Huey blooms are deep burgundy/wine color, and have a mild, spicy, almost peppery fragrance.
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Protoavis
Jun 24, 2017 4:00 PM CST
I tend to side with Neal, the flower looks too light/bright to be Dr Huey.

The plant also seems to be too well behaved in growth but that may be zone related.

It may be, however unlikely, a random seedling that grew so may not be identifiable.
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Jun 25, 2017 8:17 AM CST
I agree this is not a Dr. Huey. The flower is acting strange. After its petals opened wide. Pic taken from above.

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The flower turned more pink. Had a white center. The flower is now closing back up. Very pretty. Remember it has multiple buds on one stem.

It was planted by the previous owner in the peony bed. This rose plant needs care to survive so I couldn't see how it could grow from a seed.

You guys are the experts. Please help ID.




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Name: Blue Girl
Los Angeles (Zone 9a)
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BlueGirl
Jun 28, 2017 10:53 PM CST
Definitely not Dr. Huey. They're smaller clusters with different leaves from the hybrid plant.

This looks like rugosa. Beautiful color!
Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Jul 2, 2017 5:59 AM CST
Thank you Blue Girl! She is blooming like crazy. Wouldn't rugosa have scent?
Its easy for me to believe in miracles when science can't explain why a blade of grass has its shape and that is just one plant and one attribute.
Sydney, Australia (Zone 10b)
Protoavis
Jul 6, 2017 12:27 AM CST
Lioba said:Thank you Blue Girl! She is blooming like crazy. Wouldn't rugosa have scent?


No. Look at Pink Grootendorst. Many rugosa are hybrids to varying degrees, if they don't have matching pairs of genes for fragrance they'll be scentless.
Anyone with oryzalin (aka Surflan, Embargo), am looking for a small amount rather than 5litres from manufacturer (min size in Australia....)
Name: Anita
West Fulton, NY (Zone 5a)
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Lioba
Jul 20, 2017 8:31 AM CST
I looked at Pink Grootendorst as Protoavis suggested. That rose is very pink and showy compared to mine. Mine is simpler. Oh it stopped blooming a couple of weeks ago, so first week in July. I don't know if it was the heat or time. Also I noticed more white outlining the edges of the petals coming from the center to 3/4 up.

This is a small deep magenta rose almost surreal. Clustered in about 4-5 buds. Double leafed but looks single when fully open and no white at that point. As it closes, the white develops from the center to the edges 3/4 up the petal. Also the flowers get smaller over time.

Would you guys be offended if I took this to be ID'd by the whole community?
Its easy for me to believe in miracles when science can't explain why a blade of grass has its shape and that is just one plant and one attribute.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Keeper of Poultry Farmer Roses Raises cows
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
porkpal
Jul 20, 2017 12:25 PM CST
Go for it!
Porkpal

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