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Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
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Freedombelle
Jun 27, 2017 1:42 PM CST
My first ever attempt planting Four O Clock seeds, they bloomed a few days ago. They bloomed from 7 last night to almost 9, and this morning 7-about 9 a.m. Some are red some are yellow. I heard they are very invasive so I planted them in a cement brick flower bed by themselves, I wonder when they self seed if I will see more next season since I am in Nebraska.....I think my mom`s come back every year because I recall her saying she rips them out and they come back everywhere in her yard. One thing I like is those Japanese Beetles chew those leaves they die pretty fast, I saw it happen and had read that too. Hurray! nodding Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Jun 28, 2017 4:14 PM CST

Four-o-clocks, are invasive !!!
Seed pods, pop, open !
Scattering seeds everywhere.

Last part, of your, question, about Japanese beatles?
Well !!! 😕? Didn't ! Make, any, since to me ??? Could you explain ?
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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan (Zone 5b)

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frankrichards16
Jun 28, 2017 5:43 PM CST
I do like 4 o'clocks

they do self seed, but I would not call them aggressive.

when you are pulling weeds, you just have to recognize a 4 o'clock if you want them to continue...

For several years I dug up 4 o'clock roots and over wintered them in the cellar. When you plant these roots in the spring you normally end up with "bigger" plants. I did this for several years and then got lazy and just waited for the smaller volunteers. Here is a link to photos of my Mirabilis. My all time favorite is 'Hot Glow'

https://www.flickr.com/search/...


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Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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greene
Jun 28, 2017 6:30 PM CST
The four o'clocks in my yard do not get a chance to become invasive. I go out every day and collect seeds.

I put the white ones (from my friend Liz) in my left pocket and the pink ones (from historic Vernonberg) in my right pocket. When the multi-color ones (from my friend Phyllis) make seeds I get confused a bit but I try to keep the colors separated. Usually carry little doggy poop bags to collect seeds.

Yep, the seedlings are easy to recognize. You can pull them and trash them if you like. I dig them, pot them up and give them away at our local swap.
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Name: Jeanne
Lansing, Iowa (Zone 5a)
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gardenglassgems
Jun 29, 2017 5:49 AM CST
Aren't Four O'Clocks a vining flower? In Frank's pictures, they look like a bush. I saved the roots from last year and have them growing in front of the house by wood trellis'.
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL 🌵🌷⚘🌹🌻 (Zone 8b)
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purpleinopp
Jun 29, 2017 8:38 AM CST
Not a vine but could be somewhat loose and leaning in lower light.
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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Jun 30, 2017 1:24 PM CST
Humph. Has to be variety. Some vine and some bush.
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jun 30, 2017 2:42 PM CST
Just to make sure everyone is on the same page, I'm assuming this in my above comments:
Four o'Clocks (Mirabilis jalapa)
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Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Jun 30, 2017 3:36 PM CST
gardenglassgems said:Aren't Four O'Clocks a vining flower? In Frank's pictures, they look like a bush. I saved the roots from last year and have them growing in front of the house by wood trellis'.


They are not a vine. Depending on where you live climate-wise, they are a lovely plant that dies back in the winter or a pushy bushy plant that will come back every year and re-seed like crazy.

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Name: Jeanne
Lansing, Iowa (Zone 5a)
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gardenglassgems
Jul 1, 2017 4:03 AM CST
Thanks for the clarification. I have them growing in three places in front of my house so I will see first hand what they do. I guess I can't remember what the plant looked like last year. This older mind is getting forgetful. Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Jeanne
Lansing, Iowa (Zone 5a)
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gardenglassgems
Jul 5, 2017 4:29 AM CST
I talked with a guy I know about 4 O'Clocks yesterday. He doesn't dig up the root/tuber and overwinter them. He just grows them from seed every year. If I get seeds this year, I may do the same thing next year which would mean a lot less work digging and storing. What are your thoughts about that?
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Name: Kristi
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pod
Jul 5, 2017 6:05 AM CST
This would be one of those plants that is annual in the north and perennial in the south. I love the cheerful blooms but really love the fragrance. I've never found it invasive though it does provide lots of seed.

Jeanne ~ as I get older, I would be tempted to start from seed rather than do all that digging. Whistling Do you have photos of yours from last year?
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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Jul 5, 2017 2:36 PM CST
No need to save seed or tuber.
When seed pods BURST open. Seeds go everywhere !😮! And ! Come up. Everywhere ! The next year.
YIKES 😬 !#!
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Name: Yardenman
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Yardenman
Jul 5, 2017 11:56 PM CST
In my experience, Four O' Clocks are annual in Zone 7 and North. If you don't want them there, just pull them up. They self-sow around themselves, but I have never seen them spread any distance.
Name: Jeanne
Lansing, Iowa (Zone 5a)
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gardenglassgems
Jul 6, 2017 4:30 AM CST
@pod I will have to look to see if I can find a picture of my Four O'clock in bloom. Here is a picture of one of my plants that is growing in front of my house. It only gets afternoon sun. Does this look like a Four O'clock to you?
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Name: Kristi
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Jul 6, 2017 5:14 AM CST
gardenglassgems said:@pod I will have to look to see if I can find a picture of my Four O'clock in bloom. Here is a picture of one of my plants that is growing in front of my house. It only gets afternoon sun. Does this look like a Four O'clock to you?
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Yes it does. By this time of summer the leaves look a bit ravaged by our heat. Yours looks so Thumbs up healthy.
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL 🌵🌷⚘🌹🌻 (Zone 8b)
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purpleinopp
Jul 6, 2017 11:16 AM CST
Taking a plant outside of its' range of hardiness does not turn a perennial into an annual. When sold where they can't survive winter, they are sold as annuals to avoid any confusion about expectations of return after being left outside for winter. As a savvy gardener, one can know that any plant with a hardiness rating is a perennial and is worthy of attempts to save over winter, if one has the conditions & desire to do so.

M. jalapa is reliably root-hardy where the ground does not freeze, from the warmer parts of Z7 southward, and evergreen where there is no frost. Dave's Garden database is my go-to for checking a plants' hardiness rating, (to be confirmed by checking a few commercial sites. If they tell people the wrong thing, it would be terrible for their business):
http://davesgarden.com/guides/...

Philip, I'm not sure the plant you are calling 4'o'clock is Mirabilis jalapa. The seed pods are not explosive, they just fall on the ground, and look like tiny grenades. Edited to add... I wonder if it's a Ruellia?
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Name: Philip Becker
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Philipwonel
Jul 6, 2017 2:16 PM CST
Tiffany 😁
I'm, allways getting, morning glorys and 4 o'clocks, all mixed up. D'Oh!
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Name: Mac
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Jul 6, 2017 3:17 PM CST
Philipwonel said:I'm, allways getting, morning glorys and 4 o'clocks, all mixed up. :doh:


Just look at your watch, Philip Whistling .

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Name: Philip Becker
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Jul 6, 2017 3:26 PM CST
Maybe ?😕???
I might remember it now.
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4 o'clock..... In afternoon.
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