Roses forum: Seeking ID for an old rose

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Goldlyn
Jun 28, 2017 1:12 PM CST
This is an old farmhouse rose blooming in late June in northern Vermont. It spreads readily by underground stolons (?) and has arching canes up to 8 ft long. Very fragrant. I know it at least predates WWII.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 28, 2017 3:00 PM CST
I hope someone can name it. I would like to have one.
Porkpal
Name: Blue Girl
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BlueGirl
Jun 28, 2017 11:00 PM CST
Wow, very pretty. From the leaves and clusters, it looks like a blush pink iceberg variety.

Goldlyn
Jun 29, 2017 6:41 AM CST
BlueGirl, I followed your lead and looked up Iceberg roses and the first one was introduced in 1958. This is a much older rose. It also doesn't match the description of the parents of Iceberg. Back to square one.
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jun 29, 2017 7:21 AM CST
Does the rose bloom repeatedly or just once in the spring/summer?
Porkpal

Goldlyn
Jun 29, 2017 9:02 AM CST
Only once, in late June here.
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jun 29, 2017 3:57 PM CST
Welcome to NGA @Goldlyn ...

When you say "old farmhouse", I have to ask, "How old ?" Does it date from the early 1900s ?

If I were you, I wouldn't even consider this a "clue", but I can't seem to let it go .. Smiling

There was a rose breeder by the name of Michael Walsh in New England that bred a lot of hybrid wichurana ramblers in the early 1900s. Many were grown as foundation plants instead of roses to climb trees. The rose in your photo seems to have the same kind of plant habit. I can't identify your rose, but I do know that roses that tip rooted easily were often considered pass-along plants. That makes identification even more difficult.

Here is a link to a website that shows many of the ramblers bred by Walsh:

http://www.hawksbill-house.com...
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Goldlyn
Jun 29, 2017 5:31 PM CST
Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. The rose wants to go everywhere! The house was built in 1840 but the rose could've been planted any time between then and about the 1930s. The house had been abandoned long before a member of my family bought it around 1945. I have continued to pass it along! I have seen some rose hedges around that are also in bloom right now but are a deeper pink.
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IrisLilli
Jun 30, 2017 6:56 AM CST
Welcome! to the Roses Forum, Goldlyn! I hope you find an ID for your rose! Crossing Fingers!
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creativeclover
Jul 1, 2017 9:37 PM CST
Goldlyyn,
Beautiful. I would love to have one in my garden. With there was a way to make a copy of the rose.

Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jul 2, 2017 7:08 AM CST
There is: root a cutting.
Porkpal

Goldlyn
Jul 2, 2017 2:19 PM CST
Too late now because I'm about to leave for the summer, but if you want a cutting, message me next April. @porkpal @creativeclover
Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jul 2, 2017 6:23 PM CST
Thank you! I would love to try to grow that rose.
Porkpal
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creativeclover
Jul 2, 2017 6:28 PM CST
Thanks Goldlyn. I would like that and hopefully it will do good for me. Would look great at the new house.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jul 2, 2017 7:42 PM CST
@porkpal and @creativeclover

I think the rose in Goldlyn's photos is simply beautiful, too.

Did you see the photos in the link above ? Back in the day, they grew ramblers as foundation plants to get that effect. You might be able to find a rose that you know will do well in your climate in the rambler class of roses to grow in your garden. You are both gardening in much warmer climates.

Just a thought ... Smiling
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jul 2, 2017 8:34 PM CST
I thought of the possibility that the climate here might not work well. I have a lot of old ramblers, but that rose particularly appeals to me. Worth a try.
Porkpal
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
Jul 2, 2017 10:09 PM CST
I liked it, too, porkpal. If I didn't live in deer territory, I'd probably use one of Walsh's ramblers for up here. They are still around.

However, roses are deer candy ... Sighing!
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Goldlyn
Jul 3, 2017 6:26 AM CST
Oh, deer. They haven't bothered my rose hedge but they've just started on my raised bed veggie garden. First time they've come this close to the house in the 40 years I 've lived here. As for the cuttings, I like the idea of sending them for you all to try in different locales. In keeping with the Walsh pass-along philosophy. Such a nice rose, it would be a shame not to disseminate it.
Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Jul 3, 2017 2:32 PM CST
@Goldlyn ...

I would love to have a cutting of your rose, too, but it wouldn't stand a chance in my garden ... Sighing!

Last winter, the deer managed to find a way to get up into the house pad garden and deer-chomp pruned every rose in the garden all winter long. I finally found where they were getting into the garden, but had to make all of the deer fencing in the back higher to keep them out of the garden because they were making blind jumps over the existing fence to get to the roses.

The garden in front of the house, where I'd love to plant your rose, is deer territory. It cannot be fenced. Crying
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evelyninthegarden
Jul 3, 2017 5:52 PM CST
Lyn ~ I know what you mean. I would love to have roses right by the house. As it is, I need to dig up the Escallonia and put them in the fenced garden area. Grrrr... Sticking tongue out
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