Daylilies forum: can someone help me with branch count?

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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 29, 2017 7:08 AM CST
Hi!
These are two seedlings growing in my garden. Just to learn, I wanted to measure them, count branches and buds. But I must admit that still I don't know how branches are counted, even if I check on AHS I still get confused.
Is there someone willing to help?

Seedling 1
Thumb of 2017-06-29/cybersix/65a799

Seedling 2
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Thank you!
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jun 29, 2017 8:50 AM CST
The first one from what I can see looks like a terminal tip with two way branching, the second one looks like a "W" three way terminal tip, with one lateral branch. It is easier for me if I can remember that each branch must have at least 2 buds to count as a branch, and each branch must originate directly from the scape, not from a branch.
Name: Diana
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 29, 2017 8:51 AM CST
Sabrina, good question. I'm not sure how to count them either.
Experts?
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Name: Diana
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 29, 2017 8:52 AM CST
Good info Larry- thanks!

@Seedfork And my apologies ...
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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 29, 2017 9:23 AM CST
Donald, many thanks! So the second is a 3 branch or should I count the lateral one developing from the scape (4 branches)? It has three buds.
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 29, 2017 9:47 AM CST
Donald?
For sure count the lateral branch, 4 branches total on the second one.
Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 29, 2017 10:21 AM CST
Seedfork said:Donald?


Sorry! I was using my smartphone with italian language set and don't know what happened!!
Ok, so four branches, many thanks!
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 29, 2017 10:24 AM CST
And I suppose Diana had her phone set to Italian also? Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 29, 2017 10:29 AM CST
Seedfork said:And I suppose Diana had her phone set to Italian also? Rolling on the floor laughing

Rolling on the floor laughing oh my gosh I didn't notice!!!

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Name: Jill
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Jillz
Jun 29, 2017 11:16 AM CST
Larry, I guess there is nothing for it but to officially change your name to Donald. It would be so much simpler that way. Big Grin Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jun 29, 2017 11:27 AM CST
That would confuse too many family members...dad, paw paw, poo...you know they might not notice? Only when I am in trouble do they used my name "LARRY" so it might be a good thing to change it.
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Name: Diana
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ShakespearesGarden
Jun 29, 2017 12:04 PM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing and thank you for your sense of humor!
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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 29, 2017 12:45 PM CST
Sorry Larry, I just checked the phone and a donald happens when I start to write "do", don't". That's when donald happens. Shrug!

The past week I replied to an email using my phone, I had to write in english but the keyboard is italian. So my "Hi Joe" became "Highway Joe". D'Oh!
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Name: Donald
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needrain
Jun 29, 2017 3:18 PM CST
Seedfork said:Donald?
For sure count the lateral branch, 4 branches total on the second one.

Maybe they think you are an elected official?
Donald
Name: Char
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Char
Jun 29, 2017 4:19 PM CST

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I agree with Larry on the branch counts for the two images. I also like the easy way Larry wrote to remember how to count...
"each branch must have at least 2 buds to count as a branch, and each branch must originate directly from the scape, not from a branch."

Here is a link to the AHS Dictionary page that explains how to count branching....
http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_d...



Cute post about the phone Sabrina. Smiling
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 8, 2017 5:42 PM CST
I found this scape this morning on Persian Market.
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The terminal tip is normally one, two, or three branches..I tried to show all six branches but I never could get the angle right to show them all because they were so closely packed at the tip on the right half of the fused scape.
I thought it would be a good learning experience to try naming the branches. What would be the terminal tip count and lateral branch count (I know you can't see one branch so just assume the 5 that are visible).
The question I have is should a fused scape be counted as one or two scapes? I pulled 5 dead scapes(counted this as one) off this plant this morning, but I did not include this one when I did the bud count and branching averages. Should I have included it?


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