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Name: Frank Richards
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frankrichards16
Jun 30, 2017 12:10 PM CST
OK, here is a rant. Anytime I read anything that says I must do something, I object.

If you are not reading this post, congratulations.

An old saying from Ben Franklin: "In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes"

I take this as the only things that I "must" do are die and pay my taxes (actually just die).

All other things are optional. There are no must have plants or gadgets. There are no must read books, articles, blogs or whatever.

Oh yes, one exception, I must take a nap

I really wish people would stop telling me what I "must" do.
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plantladylin
Jun 30, 2017 1:17 PM CST
Green Grin!
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Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Jun 30, 2017 7:00 PM CST
I seem to come up with a lot more "must do" items for myself than anyone else does... Rolling my eyes.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jun 30, 2017 9:25 PM CST
There is a pretty simple word that you might try using next time someone tells you that you 'must do' something that you don't want to do. Its NO.
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LizDTM
Jun 30, 2017 11:43 PM CST
Nap are good. I always appreciate it when someone insists that I take a nap. Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Jul 4, 2017 5:24 PM CST
I'm not sure what Frank's rant was directed to, but I agree with him. I hate being told what to do - read this, do that, hold hands, salute, pray. I don't do any of them. No offense intended to anyone. Do as you please.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
Name: Tom Cagle
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Jul 4, 2017 7:39 PM CST
You must keep finding things that hold up your interest. Or, skip to the death part of your sermon. I think its a rule.
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jul 4, 2017 7:45 PM CST
Nice rule! Smiling
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Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Jul 4, 2017 7:50 PM CST
I agree
with both Deb and Tom!
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Jul 4, 2017 9:08 PM CST
frankrichards16 said:OK, here is a rant. Anytime I read anything that says I must do something, I object.

If you are not reading this post, congratulations.


Something has been bothering me about this post even since I first read it and I finally figured it out. D'Oh!

Frank is telling us what to do. First, you must read this. Second, don't read this. Rolling on the floor laughing

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McCannon
Jul 4, 2017 10:56 PM CST
I think he clarified that in his 3rd sentence Whistling .
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lauriebasler
Jul 4, 2017 11:13 PM CST
Some days you just gotta howl out a little Rant. It's all good. I get it, and I imagine it was written with humor.
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
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Weedwhacker
Jul 5, 2017 7:35 AM CST
It's hard to un-read something that tells you not to read it... Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 5, 2017 9:03 AM CST
The subject line said: "You must read this post!" So, I had to read it. Green Grin!
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Name: Yardenman
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Yardenman
Jul 5, 2017 11:59 PM CST
frankrichards16 said:OK, here is a rant. Anytime I read anything that says I must do something, I object.

If you are not reading this post, congratulations.

An old saying from Ben Franklin: "In this world nothing is certain but death and taxes"

I take this as the only things that I "must" do are die and pay my taxes (actually just die).

All other things are optional. There are no must have plants or gadgets. There are no must read books, articles, blogs or whatever.

Oh yes, one exception, I must take a nap

I really wish people would stop telling me what I "must" do.


Nice rant Frank. Was there a point other than a semi-political one?
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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purpleinopp
Jul 9, 2017 6:03 AM CST
I think he has a similar frustration to mine, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Frank.

So often when people ask questions, the reply is that they "must" do this, that, or the other. Often the advice comes from someone who has never done it any other way, and it may not be what is the most effective way for others, maybe in wildly different climates/locations, who have had great success with a myriad of other methods, rendering the "must" as downright silly.

I used to write posts like that until I learned enough to know that I really don't know much, only what turns out to be a very limited scope of what I have done before. What I do takes all of my garden time, but compared to all possible plants that are out there, and methods of gardening, various climates... I realize that the entirety of what I've done is but a very small collection of tasks regarding a very small collection of just a few hundred plants, when viewed from "the big picture."

Now I stick to sharing personal anecdotes and tell people if they want to read articles, others' experiences, old wives' tales, or whatever else might exist out there, go for it. Reading first-hand is much better than me to try to summarize anything but my own personal experiences. If I re-share info, I provide a link.
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Name: Sandy B.
Ford River, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Weedwhacker
Jul 9, 2017 7:25 AM CST
I don't know whether that was what Frank was getting at, but you've certainly made a good point there, Tiffany! Thumbs up
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Jul 9, 2017 8:33 AM CST
I agree. I'm always more responsive to a post that suggests a solution based on anecdotal experience rather than a do-or-die approach.

I find it particularly galling when the responder begins by saying the 'only' solution is some sort of chemical warfare. This is almost always immediately debunked by someone suggesting a less lethal approach, but still annoying (to me). Some of us are organic, others routinely use synthetic yard chemicals, and still others mix it up with a bit of both.

The same goes for responses that unilaterally throw Plant X under the bus as a complete and total waste of life force. Every region has highly invasive plants, and that should certainly be noted. But those same plants can be useful and well behaved in other regions. No reason for plant bullying (tongue in cheek).

On the other hand, I do realize folks can be passionate about gardening, and that is good. I try to re-read my posts with a critical eye before hitting the 'finished' button to check for accuracy (both in content and grammar), helpfulness, and tone. There are many times I simply opt to not send.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
Name: Sandy B.
Ford River, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Weedwhacker
Jul 9, 2017 9:39 AM CST
"There are many times I simply opt to not send."

Ditto! Some things seem like such a good idea when I start a post... then when I read it, it just doesn't sound "right." And I figure if my own post doesn't sound right to me, it sure isn't going to sound right to anyone else! Rolling my eyes.
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Baja_Costero
Jul 9, 2017 11:02 AM CST
Self-editing is really valuable in social relations. I do not do it enough.

I like to say something is "required" when I give advice about plants (which you could translate into "must" by the rules of logic) but that's usually when I have tried going without and observed the consequences, or seen the results second hand. In my mind the obligatory "must"ness of most garden advice belongs to the person who receives it, at a fundamental action level. In the sense that they will usually be the ones who experience the consequences of their decision.

And the size of the grain of salt to use varies greatly depending on the source of the advice. Smiling
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