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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 18, 2011 9:52 AM CST
Change these two sizes to:
medium to 21/2" to 4"
Large 4" and larger

Offsets per rosette:
1 to 5
6 to 10
11 to 20
21 to 30
31 and more

Leaf color I will have to think about since many change color throughout the year. Maybe by season?
Winter
Spring
Summer
Fall
And list colors under each? Some have spectacular color in the spring, some in the summer. Most aren't showing color in the winter (but a few do), other than green, dark green or shades of rust or tan.

Lentezon in Dec.


It would be nice to have that feature available to find ones that would have a specific color in a specific season.
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dave
Dec 18, 2011 12:35 PM CST

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I went ahead and split this off so we can have a thread devoted to Sempervivum architecture.
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dave
Dec 18, 2011 12:40 PM CST

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valleylynn said:Change these two sizes to:
medium to 21/2" to 4"
Large 4" and larger


valleylynn said:Offsets per rosette:
1 to 5
6 to 10
11 to 20
21 to 30
31 and more


I have added this.

Leaf color I will have to think about since many change color throughout the year. Maybe by season?
Winter
Spring
Summer
Fall
And list colors under each? Some have spectacular color in the spring, some in the summer. Most aren't showing color in the winter (but a few do), other than green, dark green or shades of rust or tan.

Lentezon in Dec.


It would be nice to have that feature available to find ones that would have a specific color in a specific season.[/quote]

I agree that would be nice. It could be accomplished like this:

Winter color:
(list all the color choices)

Spring color:
(list all the colors)

Summer color:
(list all the colors)

Fall color:
(again list all the colors)

It would be a lot to enter in but then you could search for something like "Fall color: Red". If you wanted to do this, I would simply need the list of all possible colors you would want listed. But let's not jump right in here. Instead let's contemplate the matter for a bit. If it still sounds like a good idea in a few days we'll do it.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 18, 2011 4:54 PM CST
That sounds like a wise thing to do.
Meanwhile I'll go start on the size and offset fields. Thumbs up
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goldfinch4
Dec 18, 2011 5:01 PM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! Sounds great!!!
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Dec 18, 2011 5:44 PM CST

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twitcher
Dec 19, 2011 12:07 AM CST
Maximum or Typical?? Sizes: Tiny(1/2" or less), Small, Medium, Large and xtralarge(6-8") - I often see someone labeling a sized semp but disagree with the size because I have seen it larger, so it might be of interest to note the type of environment when ranking size - grown as a singleton or grown as a colony. Colony size will be substantially smaller than singleton size.

For color, how about best color season (spring has best color or summer has best color). A broad brush is probably better here as environment controls appearance drastically.

For offsets, I think you are trying to be too specific. I'd be just happy to see None, rare, "Sparce", Typical, or heavy producer of offsets.
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dave
Dec 19, 2011 7:54 AM CST

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twitcher said:For color, how about best color season (spring has best color or summer has best color). A broad brush is probably better here as environment controls appearance drastically.


I would also ask: how many people will be wanting to search directly on this field?

Having a text field with a description to read, while not extremely useful when searching, is very useful when reading about a specific plant. If searching for that specific color in Springtime isn't a priority, maybe it would be best to leave it as a text field.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 19, 2011 3:34 PM CST
twitcher said:For offsets, I think you are trying to be too specific. I'd be just happy to see None, rare, "Sparce", Typical, or heavy producer of offsets.

I agree

What do you think of these settings?
Offsets:
None
Rare
Sparse 1 to 5
Typical 6 to 20
Heavy 21 and up

twitcher said:
For color, how about best color season (spring has best color or summer has best color). A broad brush is probably better here as environment controls appearance drastically.


Can this be multiple choice? I have some that have spectacular color in more than one season.
Best Color Season:
Spring
Summer
Fall
Winter

twitcher said:Maximum or Typical?? Sizes: Tiny(1/2" or less), Small, Medium, Large and xtralarge(6-8") - I often see someone labeling a sized semp but disagree with the size because I have seen it larger, so it might be of interest to note the type of environment when ranking size - grown as a singleton or grown as a colony. Colony size will be substantially smaller than singleton size.


Could we have a mouse over that quotes twit's above statement?
Grown as a singleton can produce a larger rosette. Colony size will be substantially smaller than singleton size.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Dec 19, 2011 4:03 PM CST

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Mouseovers really need to be fairly brief. Only about 10 words of so at the most. Think of the size of that little bubble.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 19, 2011 4:10 PM CST
Environment will determine size. ??

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twitcher
Dec 20, 2011 4:57 PM CST
Single Rosettes - Max Size
Colony Rosettes - Smaller Size

or maybe just a statement somewhere about this.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 20, 2011 7:01 PM CST
twitcher said:Single Rosettes - Max Size
Colony Rosettes - Smaller Size

or maybe just a statement somewhere about this.



Mouse over:
Single Rosettes - Max Size
Colony Rosettes - Smaller Size ???

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twitcher
Dec 20, 2011 11:09 PM CST
Smaller than Max???
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM CST

Mouse over:
Single Rosettes - Max Size
Colony Rosettes -Minimum Size Whistling

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twitcher
Dec 21, 2011 5:32 AM CST
I think the awkwardness here means we have more thinking to do. Like the idea of communicating the idea that we get much larger plants and see true size when grown as a single plant, but colony size plants are smaller. Don't know how that fits into your db design.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Dec 21, 2011 9:50 AM CST
Twit, I just found a bubble that gives us an idea of how many words we can have. Mouse over the words Extra Bloom Info. Rose (Rosa 'A Shropshire Lad')

Singly grown rosettes attain larger size than rosettes grown in a colony.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Dec 22, 2011 4:41 PM CST
I just received a google alert for this thread. Hurray!
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Dec 31, 2011 8:57 PM CST
Dave can we do what the rose entries have? Rose (Rosa 'A Shropshire Lad')
Their field Extra Bloom Info is in bold text and has a mouse over.

Could the Size field for Sempervivum be in bold with a mouse over?
Mouse over: Singly grown rosettes attain larger size than rosettes grown in a colony.

Also, would it be possible to do a search for blooms. I know when we enter a new photo we have to designate whether it's the entire plant, bloom, etc. Could a search bring up the ones entered as a bloom?
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Dec 31, 2011 9:35 PM CST

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Actually, the mouse over on the Extra Bloom Info in the Rose database is no longer necessary because the petal counts are explained in special boxes now. It predates the checkboxes.

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