Daylilies forum: Advice needed before ordering some early J. Gossard hybrids

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Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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csandt
Jul 4, 2017 3:05 PM CST
I am considering ordering some early (and therefore affordable to me) J. Gossard hybrids from Heavenly Gardens to plant in my zone 6a garden, and would be grateful for advice to avoid costly, time-consuming, space-consuming purchasing errors. I am looking for good garden performers and do not plan to do any hybridizing.

Here are the ones I am considering; would greatly appreciate any and all advice:

Baby Dragon (only comment in database is positive on flowers but somewhat negative on foliage)

Crimson Ninja (no comments in database)

Darkness Approaches (no comments in database)

Heavenly Lasting Impressions (no comments in database)

Jungle Man (no comments in database)

Heavenly Tiger Tails (no comments in database)
Carol H. Sandt

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Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Jul 5, 2017 3:43 PM CST
hi Carol,

Heavenly Tiger Tails is the only one I have and I bought and planted that at the end of April, so I'm not sure if how it performed now is typical for this cultivar.

I have 6 fans which produced 3 scapes.
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First flower on June 7th. I expect that next year it will be earlier (?).
The scapes were definitely shorter that what it says in the database, but like I said: they were planted at the end of April..

I really liked the flowers, so I would recommend it to other people Thumbs up
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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Feb 23, 2018 2:46 PM CST
@csandt


Ah... a little late here.. :)

I grow Crimson Ninja and it's probably the best red of his I grow, better than H. United We Stand, IMO.

Better, brighter color, more substance, great green throat.
Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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csandt
Feb 23, 2018 4:44 PM CST
CaliFlowers said:@csandt


Ah... a little late here.. :)

I grow Crimson Ninja and it's probably the best red of his I grow, better than H. United We Stand, IMO.

Better, brighter color, more substance, great green throat.


Thanks, Ken. @CaliFlowers. It's not too late. I haven't yet acquired any of Gossard's introductions. Your endorsement of Crimson Ninja sounds kind of qualified; i.e., good for a Gossard introduction but perhaps not so good in a broader comparison, if I'm not overinterpreting.
Carol H. Sandt

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Name: Ken
East S.F. Bay Area (Zone 9a)
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CaliFlowers
Feb 23, 2018 8:40 PM CST
It didn't feel like a qualification when I wrote it, I just think that absolutes are ill-advised when recommending daylilies, since climate and culture vary wildly, not to mention tastes. If I was the hedging sort, I don't think I'd be saying that a very good but seemingly overlooked introduction is better than his Stout Silver Medal winner. Big Grin

I have H. United We Stand in a prime garden bed, while Crimson Ninja is in a 3-gallon pot. HUWS is good, but I think Crimson Ninja is better here. Bear in mind that my garden has a semi-coastal mediterranean climate with moderate weather year-round, generally cool summer nights, low humidity and little cloud cover. It's pretty difficult for a lot of daylilies to deal with that combination, particularly the darker colors. HUWS starts to fade around noon or noon-thirty on a 75° day, not unusual for a red at all. It's the flowers that start opening earlier that manage to achieve the turgidity necessary to deal with dry, cloudless skies. In other gardens they might rank differently. Who knows... Shrug!

If you wanted a better red but not by Gossard, I'd recommend Benz's Big Red Macaw. Hands-down my favorite all-around in this class. The flower on Crimson Ninja may be a bit better, but for an all-around garden plant, it's Big Red Macaw. For details, see my other post today on this topic.

Big Red Macaw is always open early and flat. My second year clump had at least one flower open every single day for something like two months, and it was nowhere near finished for the season. It repeats like a Florida evergreen.

Crimson Ninja is on the Lily Auction right now, a 3-fan clump for the "Buy It Now" price of $15.
The same seller, Screek, also recently listed Big Red Macaw, and I don't think it sold, so it might come up again soon.






Name: Julie
Roanoke, VA (Zone 7a)
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floota
Feb 24, 2018 5:12 AM CST
On the other hand, I've heard Jamie Gossard say at least twice, in both personal conversations and in a public talk, that he considered 'Heavenly United We Stand' to be the best plant he'd ever introduced. This was before it had even won an AM, let alone the Stout. If you have a climate fairly close to what his is in OH, consider giving it a try. For someone who has been as prolific a hybridizer to single out that cultivar IMHO is about as high a recommendation as you can get. I have seen magnificent clumps of it in NC, GA, VA, OH, and several other states, His HeavenlyCurls is an early intro of his that has done extremely well for me here in SW VA too.
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mantisOH
Feb 24, 2018 10:31 PM CST
Yes, the branching and spacing of the blooms on United We Stand are wonderful. I don't really recall a problem here with fading, but as Ken notes, expectations for reds and purples are lower ( I am only 70 miles from the hybridizer). Was just on the West Coast and noticed how scorching the sun can be without humidity.

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