Vegetables and Fruit forum: salad and/or cooked greens - orach, tatsoi, etc?

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Name: UrbanWild
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UrbanWild
Jul 5, 2017 6:45 PM CST
I am looking at broadening our salad and cooking greens. We have hot/humid summer and the potential for rwal winter though we have now had 6 fairly mild winrers in a row.

I am also a supertaster so I do not like bitter greens. I know a lot of folks like to mix a salad with butter and sweet greens, but even that smaller amount I f bitter I find unpleasant. So, I am looking for input on lesser well known greens, and input on tougher seasonality to fill with greens (like winter and summer).

Have read a bit on orach, and also tatsoi...but not much on flavors. I am open to additional plants...anyone?
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Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Jul 7, 2017 9:33 AM CST
Ok Wild 😁😁😁
Hears a few i grow. Collards. Chard. New Zealand (hot weather spinach)
Chard prefers shade in afternoon.
I dont eat any raw. Tastes to green. Some people do use them raw for salads.
They are great in stir fry, also in soups, stews or boiled.
Not steamed.
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Name: Deborah
Southern California (Zone 10a)
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Saltflower
Jul 7, 2017 9:54 AM CST
Bok choy?
Name: UrbanWild
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UrbanWild
Jul 7, 2017 10:08 AM CST
Great options. Had not considered New Zealand spinach given its notoriously poor germination rates. What sort of success have you had with it?

Have been looking at microgreens as well but it looks like it would cost a fortune in seed costs alone.
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Name: Deborah
Southern California (Zone 10a)
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Saltflower
Jul 7, 2017 10:47 AM CST
Plus with micros there's all the fear factors of salmonella. Sounds like more risk than they're worth.
Name: Philip Becker
Fresno California (Zone 8a)
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Philipwonel
Jul 7, 2017 12:35 PM CST
Wild !!! 😁😁😁
I'll get to NZ spinich.
Alfalfa sprouts, yum. I got a pound of organic seeds from. " Urban Farmer " This year for 8 dollars.
One Tablespoon makes a quart.
Put 1 Tbl in quart jar with cheesecloth and rubber band. Rince and drain ownce or better twice a day in dark cupboard till jar is just about full. Then in window for a day or two to get green. Still rincing.
Done ! Put in frig.
Ok ok now !!! New Zealand Spinach.
Long germatation. Nick seeds with knife or peice of sandpaper. They have hard shell. Soak seeds a couple days. Plant, keep watered, and be patince.
Coldest its ever been hear is 18 f.
Didnt affect them, or other stuff i mentioned.
If by chance they do freeze ! No worries. As they grow, they reseed themselfs. They will be back the next year. Thumbs up
To harvest....snap off tips, 2 to 4 inches, where tender. Depends on time of year. This method requires no de-steming. Thick young stems are tender.
Grows in sun or shade. It dont care.
I even have some growing under canopy of a huge Camphor tree. It's happy as a clam ! With just an hour or two of morning sun.
Good luck ! You wild person. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: UrbanWild
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UrbanWild
Jul 7, 2017 6:00 PM CST
I do grow alfalfa sprouts and like you, love them. I will give the NZ spinach a try.

Thanks for the source of seed. Will check them out.

Just had the 1st harvest of mixed lettuces for the year. Yechhhhh!!! One of the greens in the mix was a bitter green. I will be digging that out if the garden ASAP!

I love kale...but not so much in a salad raw. Smoothie or cooked is fine though. Same wth chard.
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Weedwhacker
Jul 7, 2017 8:17 PM CST
Mache (corn salad) is a very mild salad green, also very cold hardy. Sweet potato vines and leaves are edible, as are radish leaves. Instead of (or in addition to) chard, you can eat beet greens the same way and still get the beet roots. Young borage leaves are also edible (as are the flowers) and sort of cucumber-like. There are varieties of peas that have been developed to produce lots of tendrils, which can be added to salads. Smiling
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Name: UrbanWild
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UrbanWild
Jul 8, 2017 12:00 AM CST
We do like all of the traditional southern cooked greens...turnip, beet, collards, etc. We also like pea shoots and tendrils.

The warnings on borage and pyrrolizidin alkaloids made me stop growing it years ago. I never did much with it anyway.

I always thought the vines/leaves of sweet potatoes were inedible. Interesting. How palatable are they?
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Name: Sandy B.
Ford River, Michigan UP (Zone 4b)
(Zone 4b-maybe 5a)
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Weedwhacker
Jul 8, 2017 7:47 AM CST
Although I admit I've never tried the sweet potato vines (not my best crop up here, LOL), here's an article about using them: https://www.gardeningknowhow.c...

Thanks for pointing out the issue with borage, I wasn't aware of that; maybe better to just leave those for the bees Smiling
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Name: Caroline Scott
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CarolineScott
Jul 10, 2017 10:43 AM CST
Orach leaves are fine when plant is young.
They are also ornamentals.
They self seed here.
Name: UrbanWild
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UrbanWild
Jul 10, 2017 4:49 PM CST
CarolineScott said:Orach leaves are fine when plant is young.
They are also ornamentals.
They self seed here.


So the leaves are no longer good when the plant ages?

Always looking for interesting plants for pollinators and food! Bonus points for highly, and pleasantly scented plants.

"Si hortum in bibliotheca habes, nihil deerit." [β€œIf you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.”] -- Marcus Tullius Cicero in Ad Familiares IX, 4, to Varro. 46 BCE
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CarolineScott
Jul 11, 2017 5:12 AM CST
MAybe if steamed, but raw are tough when older.
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sallyg
Aug 3, 2017 7:47 PM CST
I grew tatsoi. Cute rosettes of leaves live spoons. Seemed mild to me. Also komatsuna, AKA japanese spinach.
Mixed green seed mixes - probably will have a bitter one. Stay away from any endive or radicchio.
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