Daylilies forum: Newbie Q: Heat (GA-Zone 7b) and Dormant type Daylilies

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Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 10, 2017 8:32 PM CST
Disclaimer: I am new to daylilying Big Grin and have been very excited to get another batch of daylilies on Wednesday. After I ordered, of course, it was brought to my attention that the heat in Georgia may not be compatible with the dormant type cultivars I ordered (enticed by a clearance!). D'Oh! I'm happy I learned this early on.

I wanted to ask if anyone in a similar zone has had success with any of these varieties and if so, did you use any "tricks?" Thank You! in advance for your help!!

Bama Music - Mid Season
Big Business - Mid Season
Frans Hals - Mid Season (Late)
Route Sixty-Six - Mid Season
Thirteen Colonies - EM
Siloam June Bug - EM
Autumn Red - Mid Summer
Aztec Gold - Mid Season

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Name: Sharon Rose
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Altheabyanothername
Jul 10, 2017 9:58 PM CST
Jackie, Autumn Red and Frans Hall should be fine in your zone. I am 8a and it has only been the last few years of warm winters that some dormants have struggled. The only trick I know of for plants that need more chill is to grow them in a large pot at least 18 inches. The pot being above ground lets the plants roots get colder than they would have gotten being planted in the ground. My peonies are in giant containers. You can also look each plant up in the data base. Click on members have this plant and see if any people in southern states do have the plant.

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Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 10, 2017 10:28 PM CST
Great point. Sounds like I should do a lot more research to do before I buy so many plants next time, right @legalily Rolling on the floor laughing ??
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 11, 2017 10:44 AM CST
I grow quite a few dormants, but none of them on your list. I have lost a few dormants but I have also lost a few evergreens. So the only way to know sometimes is to try them. Some on this list are fairly new, but most of them have been here a few years now.

Alabama Jubilee
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Panic In Detroit
Persian Ruby
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Ruby Spider
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 11, 2017 12:13 PM CST
Where the daylily was hybridized should give some clue as to heat tolerance but that information is only readily available if you are an AHS member and can check the list of hybridizers and their locations on the AHS members' Portal (it only costs $15 to join for the rest of the year now, if you aren't already a member). Consider also that a daylily that is from a cold winter climate may be registered as "dormant" but be evergreen in a milder winter area (whether that makes any difference to its heat tolerance, though, is another question).

Also check out the popularity poll for your region and maybe similar regions. Region 5 (Georgia) has the popularity poll results going back for a few years although not the past few (but since you're looking at older daylilies they could still be useful). The Reg 5 site also lists display gardens where you could go and see what grows well there in person. Here's the link, just click on popularity poll and/or display gardens:
http://www.daylilies.org/AHSre...
Name: Arlene
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florange
Jul 11, 2017 2:08 PM CST
When I lived in West Cobb county, most of my daylilies were dormant. I couldn't grow hard dormants, but I had beautiful plants once I learned to garden in clay.
Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 11, 2017 7:51 PM CST
sooby said:Where the daylily was hybridized should give some clue as to heat tolerance but that information is only readily available if you are an AHS member and can check the list of hybridizers and their locations on the AHS members' Portal (it only costs $15 to join for the rest of the year now, if you aren't already a member). Consider also that a daylily that is from a cold winter climate may be registered as "dormant" but be evergreen in a milder winter area (whether that makes any difference to its heat tolerance, though, is another question).

Also check out the popularity poll for your region and maybe similar regions. Region 5 (Georgia) has the popularity poll results going back for a few years although not the past few (but since you're looking at older daylilies they could still be useful). The Reg 5 site also lists display gardens where you could go and see what grows well there in person. Here's the link, just click on popularity poll and/or display gardens:
http://www.daylilies.org/AHSre...


Thank You! for clearing up something that was confusing me about the popularity polls. I suppose I should just build my own Excel Spreadsheet Thumbs up What you said makes sense (dormant further north may mean SEv/Ev in the south) and I appreciate that perspective. Being new to it has me overanalyzing everything Green Grin!

Thank You! also for letting me know about the trial membership; I just joined Hurray!
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Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 11, 2017 7:53 PM CST
@seedfork - I agree; trial and error has to be the way this batch goes LOL. Thanks for the list - I will check them all out and add them to my wishlist (yes, also on a spreadsheet for anyone tracking my nerdiness Rolling on the floor laughing )
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Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
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judydu2
Jul 11, 2017 8:41 PM CST
sooby said:Where the daylily was hybridized should give some clue as to heat tolerance but that information is only readily available if you are an AHS member and can check the list of hybridizers and their locations on the AHS members' Portal (it only costs $15 to join for the rest of the year now, if you aren't already a member).


Joining the AHS is not a necessity at all. Charlotte's lists nearly every hybridizer by name and state as well as by their garden or business name.
http://daylilydiary.com/

Being an AHS member is also not a necessity in order to access the AHS registration database. If it has been registered, it's name and hybridizer can be found here:
http://www.daylilies.org/Dayli...

Name: Ashton & Terry
Jones, OK (Zone 7a)
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kidfishing
Jul 11, 2017 9:25 PM CST
I know a hybridizer in zone 7b east of you who claims that he would prefer all dormants because they do so much better than evergreens. I am 7a and grow all foliage types and some of each do very well and some of each have died. Overall I prefer dormants as a high percentage of them perform best here. It does not seem to make that much difference where the daylily was hybridized if it is dormant. I think you will find your dormants perform just fine. In my opinion you are in a growing area that will allow you to grow all foliage types but you still may find some that don't do well or you loose a few.
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Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 11, 2017 9:59 PM CST
Thank You! Judy and Kidfishing! I checked out the links you sent and they are a tremendously helpful resource. Thanks for passing them along.

Kidfishing I was told just this afternoon that they have also had success with some of the varieties on the way, Frans Hals, for example.
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Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jul 12, 2017 3:10 AM CST
judydu2 said:

Joining the AHS is not a necessity at all. Charlotte's lists nearly every hybridizer by name and state as well as by their garden or business name.
http://daylilydiary.com/


Except that Jackie is currently looking at some older daylilies and those hybridizers will not be listed on Charlotte's site. For example Flory for 'Frans Hals' (1955). Neither the NGA nor AHS databases (currently) give the location of where a cultivar was hybridized. One of the biggest advantages of AHS membership is the online access to the Daylily Journals going back for decades and which can be read online and/or downloaded. I do agree, though, that Charlotte's site is a very useful resource for current hybridizer info.

Edited to add, for example, Flory was Logansport, Indiana according to the list on the AHS members portal. Of course none of this helps if a hybridizer has moved! For instance Stamile is listed as California on Charlotte's page because that's where they are now but most of their daylilies will have been hybridized in NY or Florida.





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Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
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judydu2
Jul 12, 2017 6:26 AM CST
http://www.daylilies.org/

The AHS website is not just for members. Most of the site's features are readily accessible by non-members. Just about anything you would need or want to know about all things daylilies can be had by clicking links on the site - without having to join. At the bottom of the AHS home page linked above, there is a search box. The amount of information also available from that search box is amazing.

Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 12, 2017 6:44 AM CST
florange said:When I lived in West Cobb county, most of my daylilies were dormant. I couldn't grow hard dormants, but I had beautiful plants once I learned to garden in clay.


Thanks, Arlene - can you explain a little more about a hard dormant daylily? I haven't heard this term before--is this for colder climates, say growing a dormant daylily that is hardy in Zones 3-8 vs. one that is hardy in Zones 6-10?

You are all so wonderful - thanks so much for your time and passing along some wisdom to a novice I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jul 12, 2017 7:17 AM CST
judydu2 said:http://www.daylilies.org/

The AHS website is not just for members. Most of the site's features are readily accessible by non-members. Just about anything you would need or want to know about all things daylilies can be had by clicking links on the site - without having to join. At the bottom of the AHS home page linked above, there is a search box. The amount of information also available from that search box is amazing.



The members' Portal is where the hybridizer locations are listed and you do have to join to have full access to that, it is not the same as the AHS website. Can I ask why encourage people not to join?
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jul 12, 2017 7:19 AM CST
GenXNEGeorgia said:

Thanks, Arlene - can you explain a little more about a hard dormant daylily? I haven't heard this term before--is this for colder climates, say growing a dormant daylily that is hardy in Zones 3-8 vs. one that is hardy in Zones 6-10?



The term "hard dormant" (which is not an official term) means different things to different people so you are right to ask Smiling Munson described it as a daylily that dies back and doesn't regrow for an extended period of time.

Name: Jackie
Lake Lanier, GA (Heat Zone 7) (Zone 7b)
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GenXNEGeorgia
Jul 12, 2017 7:27 AM CST
sooby said:

The term "hard dormant" (which is not an official term) means different things to different people so you are right to ask Smiling Munson described it as a daylily that dies back and doesn't regrow for an extended period of time.



Thank You! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Judy
Louisiana (Zone 9b)
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judydu2
Jul 12, 2017 11:45 AM CST
sooby said:
Can I ask why encourage people not to join?


I was a member of the rah-rah section for about 15 years. I ignored the politics, the cliques, the usual unpleasant trappings of such organizations until it was driven home just how unimportant the general membership is viewed to be by the upper echelons. The journal is nice, but it has become merely editions of recycled articles written by the same people. Eventually, unopened editions remained unread. I did not renew my membership this year. In hindsight, it was a prudent choice for me, as it was made abundantly clear a few months back, in a very public way, via Facebook, just how lowly the elite of the AHS view the general membership to be.
The bulk of daylily information that anyone could possibly need can be had for just the slightest of efforts. For free. And since one doesn't need to be an AHS member to register daylilies, well, there it is....

Name: Nikki
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Scatterbrain
Jul 16, 2017 11:06 AM CST
I like in the UK which although doesn't get much sunshine is actually mainly zones 8-9 due to mild winters.

I have a couple of dormants that I can think of off the top of my head (Frans Hals is one, Novelty Number is another) and never had any problem. My Dad also had Frans Hals in his garden for many years and
it is sold widely throughout Britain.

All my daylilies are grown in large pots and haven't noticed much difference here between dormant, evergreen and semi-evergreen to be honest.

Hope that helps. Smiling
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Jul 17, 2017 12:31 AM CST
Great question, Jackie!

I live in the deep south (central Florida) and am always concerned about "dormant" daylilies. I have several that are on Larry's list and they have survived here for a couple of years. Some don't though. And some that are sev or ev also die. I have no idea why. I think the heat/hot summers do some of the cultivars in.

I agree though, that if you get a daylily that you like for cheap, then it's worth trying even if it is a dormant. I typically don't spend a lot of money on any one daylily for that reason since they can easily die here. Most are tough though and do just fine in my zone 9b/10a.

I think your zone is even better for any daylily! You should be ok with most or all daylily cultivars.
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