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Jul 13, 2017 8:58 AM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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I was out taking photos today and saw something strange. I've seen lots of unusual things on the various daylily threads but nothing quite like this.

This is a bloom of Hanalei Bay. It is a single flower so what is going on here? Confused

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Was it just begging me to use its pollen today? Hilarious!
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Jul 13, 2017 9:56 AM CST
Name: Julie C
Roanoke, VA (Zone 7a)
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Sometimes single blooms will produce extra segments of tissue and even produce a complete set of extra petals and sepals, in essence, doubling. This happens here more frequently when there's been abundant rainfall/ water. Nothing that unusual. I've also seen a lot of polymerous blooms, again, here that seems to be a result of enough water.
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Jul 13, 2017 10:09 AM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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So pretty, Elena!
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Jul 13, 2017 10:20 AM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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Thanks floota. We have gotten a lot of extra rain this year. It had rained a bit yesterday evening but had been hot and dry for several days so I also watered. Later last night it poured so there was definitely plenty of water around!

Weirdly, I've seen fewer poly blooms this year. I haven't seen a single one yet and I'm past peak. I do have taller scapes and better branching/bud counts so I'm not complaining!

I can't recall if I've seen any of my other single flowers try to double before. If I have, it is a very rare occurrence for me.
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Jul 13, 2017 11:27 AM CST
Name: Amber
Missouri (Zone 6a)
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I think those are referred to as petaloids. It's a lovely picture Lovey dubby
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Jul 13, 2017 7:07 PM CST
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Name: Char
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I'm not sure that bloom is showing petaloid stamens. The angle makes it a bit difficult to see exactly where the extra tissue is attached. If it is attached to the stamens then the bloom would be doubling. If the extra tissue is instead attached to the petal then it would be a single flower exhibiting cristate sculpting. Yesterday I posted this image of Systems of Edges in the July bloom thread. This is a Sculpted cristate form. (Sorry about the color it is difficult for the camera to capture)


Here is another angle showing the cristations attached to the petals. The stamens are not attached, simply tangled in the cristation.
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Hanalei Bay has Bluegrass Music and Tet. Lavender Blue Baby behind it. Both known producers of Sculpted cristates.
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Jul 13, 2017 7:31 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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Char I think you are correct in where the extra tissue originates from. I don't have a picture showing it well though.

I had no idea the two parents produce sculpted cristates. I guess that was what it was trying to do. I've never seen a cristate in real life, just pictures.
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Jul 14, 2017 5:13 AM CST
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Name: Char
Vermont (Zone 4b)
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Crossing Fingers! the crosses you made will give you sdlgs to work with!
The ability to recognize when you are seeing something different is an excellent quality to have as a hybridizer. Even seeing just one bloom can give you information you may not have had before. Learning what daylilies will produce certain characteristics is a part of hybridizing when you are trying to produce those characteristics in your sdlgs. It makes no difference if you're working for spiders, teeth, mini's, white, branching etc., the more you can learn about which daylilies produce it or have the potential to the better your chances of seeing it in your seedling beds.
My main focus is northern hardy Sculpted forms. Even though I've spent many years observing, listening and researching the who, what, where, when, why and how of the form, there is always more to learn. Smiling
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Jul 14, 2017 5:42 AM CST
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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My 'Royal Eventide' is registered as a single, and it seems every bloom has extra petaloids, all the photos in the database of it display this feature also. I had assumed it was actually a double that was registered wrong. *Blush*
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