Roses forum: Help! Rose not blooming!!!

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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jul 14, 2017 9:28 PM CST
I bought the 'Veteran's Honor' rose, in memory of my dad, in the Fall of 2009, after his passing in June 2009. Dad was a avid gardener, and his favorite flower was the red rose. He was also a Veteran of the Korean War. It bloomed each year until 2013, after which it has not bloomed. No buds are produced either! Is there hope? What is the issue?
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IrisLilli
Jul 15, 2017 4:31 AM CST
Where do you grow the rose? (Shade/sun/dry soil/under a tree...?)

When do you fertilise it? What do you use for fertiliser? Do you prune it? When?

Lots of things can influence bloom, including pests. If we know more, it will be easier to make some educated guesses as to what might be wrong.
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pepper23
Jul 15, 2017 7:49 AM CST
Pictures of the rose bush helps also. Smiling
Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jul 15, 2017 5:01 PM CST
It's on the West side of the house. I prune in the Fall and cover it with a pile of mulch. I haven't had a specific fertilizing regimen, or special fertilizer for roses, mainly due to limited funds. It just gets fertilized when everything else is fertilized. There's been no change in it's care since I first planted it, and it hasn't bloomed for several years!!

Other than no blooms, it's a healthy rose!

I'll post a photo when I get a chance.
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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jul 17, 2017 6:09 PM CST
Photos of 'Veteran's Honor' rose specimen

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RpR
Jul 22, 2017 12:06 PM CST
Are those canes ones that once produced flowers or are they new ones that came from the base?

They could be sucker shoots that will never produce flowers.
I had this happen on one rose but fortunately I still had producing canes.
Name: Steve
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Steve812
Jul 22, 2017 1:35 PM CST
I don't see any obvious health problems with the canes and foliage.

There can be a lot of reasons a rose stops blooming. In my experience, sunlight is a big reason. Sometimes neighboring trees or shrubs grow and block out the sunlight. A rose on a western wall is going to be more sensitive to this problem than a rose on the south side of a house.

If you grow tomatoes or fruit trees, most of the fertilizers for those plants are rich in phosphorous which is needed by plants for fruiting and flowering. Maybe an extra dollop of such a fertilizer would help.

If the rose does bloom and you do not recognize any of the blossoms as Veteran's Honor, there's a chance that the VH wood has died and the plant you have now is all rootstock, in which case you would need to replace the plant. Or maybe there will be a mixture of VH blooms and something else (probably reddish Dr Huey, no high centered flowers.) In this case, remove the canes with the wrong flowers.

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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jul 23, 2017 9:36 AM CST
Thanks! Well, the both of you could be spot on! The main part of tbe graft had died off, and it sort of fell away from the live portion, all the way down below grade, and I had to dig it out, so it probably will never bloom again! Sad I have another specimen that I grew from a random sucker off this one, and it has never bloomed! Glare I guess it's time to remove them....

I got this rose from a professional garden center (not a big box place!) in 2009. I'm very bummed....

Is it typical for a rose to have such a short lifespan? How do I avoid this in the future?
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Name: Steve
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Jul 23, 2017 1:32 PM CST
I cannot think of any simple and cheap solutions. None that get you everything you want... Hybrid tea roses can be a little tricky to grow in zone 5. Some gardeners treat them almost as annuals. I see that at HelpMeFind, Veteran's Honor is listed as hardy to zone 6b. And that it requires spring freeze protection (which would mean I probably cannot grow it in my zone 7b garden without using great piles of mulch.)

1) Veteran's Honor is offered by a number of mail order places such as Edmunds Roses or Jackson and Perkins. If it has to be VH, this can be a successful way of getting one. Twenty some years ago plants ordered this way tended to arrive in good condition almost always. Today, there's much less certainty.

2) You might get lucky and find Veneran's Honor at a big box store in spring, plant it, and think of it like an annual.

3) It might be possible to find Veteran's Honor at Heirloom Roses. It would certainly seem expensive. I have some difficulty growing their roses from bands, so I buy gallons, plant them in pots the first season and transplant them their first fall. The rose would be growing on its own roots. This means that if it is frozen to the ground in a hard winter and it comes back from its roots it will still be Veteran's Honor.

Regardless of which of these you choose, piling twelve or sixteen inches of mulch around the base of the plant around Halloween and pulling it away from the plant in May might preserve the plant through winter. It will certainly improve the odds.

For alternative roses, here are some possibilities:

1) Palatine Roses offers roses that generally arrive in good shape. Since they are grown in the same climate zone as yours, you might find some durable choices there. Can't remember seeing VH on their list. Dark Desire or Grande Amore might be worthy of consideration. I grew Olympiad with some success in NJ.

2) Margie's plant list http://garden.org/lists/view/M... might provide a reasonably good list of cold hardy rose, though Long Island is a milder climate than Canton, OH.

Lots of ideas here. I hope you can find one that works.
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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jul 23, 2017 10:06 PM CST
Thank you Steve! Lots of very useful information! I bought it long before my interest in gardening switched in to full gear, so I was not as aware of growing zones, and such. Thanks again! Thank You!
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RpR
Jul 23, 2017 11:02 PM CST
bloominholes2fill said:Thanks! Well, the both of you could be spot on! The main part of tbe graft had died off, and it sort of fell away from the live portion, all the way down below grade, and I had to dig it out, so it probably will never bloom again! Sad I have another specimen that I grew from a random sucker off this one, and it has never bloomed! Glare I guess it's time to remove them....

I got this rose from a professional garden center (not a big box place!) in 2009. I'm very bummed....
Is it typical for a rose to have such a short lifespan? How do I avoid this in the future?


What did/do you do to your roses for winter?
How cold does it get there? How many days of below zero?
It gets to double digit below zero here every year so as Steve says I cover and by cover I mean, I put a minimum of 12 inches of cover, leaves, over my roses over the top of the roses not from the ground.
I have found more is better. More work in spring but less misery of dead roses or ones that cannot make up their mind if they want to live.
In recent years I have buried but you should not have to do that .
I found that it works much better, roses came out better , if I covered them with a fabric before I put the leaves on; also easier to remove.
That keeps them warmer and stops loss of moisture. When I cover I make sure the roses have moist soil.

As Steve said best to wait before uncovering than uncover early because the weather is warm. Roses do not like cold snaps in spring This year I uncovered one of my gardens several weeks earlier than the other and a cold snap wreaked havoc on that one.
Roses looked great but many slowly turned black or only have one blooming cane where once there were three or four.
I lost as many roses this year as I normally would lose in a decade.
In all the decades I have done this, I have never had so many roses sprout and then , have the buds die at varying stages, have plants sit there totally green and then slowly die one cane at a time. The last one that died had a fully green cane till two days ago and now it is dead brown, even though we have had near perfect growing weather.

When you buy be careful. Of the eleven roses I bought this year, I have three left and one of those may go belly-up also.
Six were from Burgess and they just told me that I had to wait six weeks from the day I got them, to make sure they are dead, before they will do anything about it.
The one that is maybe, I could possibly nurse as I used to , to get through a bad start, or year, but I no longer pay money to hope that in two years I may have a flowering plant, or wait a year and then take them back for a refund because maybe, just maybe, they will survive the winter and then the next summer I can play nurse maid and hope they survive dry weeks. They are supposed to be ready to go when you get them.
I have also bought roses from bucks up places and inherited their Black Spot.

If you plant a hybrid Tea, there is no such thing as a cold hardy hybrid Tea. Cover them.
If you are fortunate enough to have a tough one, all it takes is one bitter winter to finish it off.


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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jul 24, 2017 9:00 PM CST
Thanks! I do cover them, but I think they're headed to the garden boneyard in the sky. My fertilizing and other care haven't changed. I think my zone is just a little too cold, for VH, and it's been dying very slowly from day one.... Glare
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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jun 12, 2018 12:27 PM CST
This Spring, I've finally got blooms again, but it's definitely not VH! Blinking I think the rootstock actually has taken over. Glare
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These are the original VH blooms....
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Edmunds and J&P have it, but they're already sold out, so I'll have to wait 'til next year for a replacement. Sighing!
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Jun 13, 2018 5:17 PM CST

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Looks like too many petals for the usual Dr. Huey rootstock. Did you ever have anything else planted in this spot? The color actually matches Veteran's Honor better than your earlier blooms, but Veteran's Honor shouldn't be blooming in clusters. Are all of those blooms clustered at the tip of the same cane or is that an optical illusion?
Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jun 13, 2018 5:30 PM CST
The plant database moderators accepted those/similar photos of mine for VH. Shrug! Shrug! The photos are alot brighter than the real life blooms were. 😕
The clusters are at the tip of the same cane.

The only other rose that was planted here was a NOID climber with pale blue flowers we inherited with the house, back in '90, and after that, I planted a blue passionflower vine, in 2008.....which is an annual, in my zone. Smiling
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Jun 13, 2018 5:51 PM CST

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No reason they shouldn't have been accepted. They are beautiful photos, just a trifle more orange than most Veteran's Honor photos.

I'm completely stumped about your present rose. It reminds me of a climber called Blaze, which was extremely popular for decades, but it was never used as rootstock. Your rose must be Dr. Huey, but it's certainly producing the prettiest Dr. Huey blooms I've ever seen.
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Jun 14, 2018 3:19 PM CST
The leaves in the picture of the imposter blooms do not look like my Dr Hueys' foliage either.
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Name: Dana
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bloominholes2fill
Jun 14, 2018 9:23 PM CST
Well, my original question on the reason why VH hadn't bloomed for so long has been answered, and it's very much appreciated! I tip my hat to you. I tip my hat to you. I'm just going to replace what's there/left now with a new VH, from roots up, probably next year to honor my father, as was the original intent. Smiling Smiling

Thank you all!
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