Plant ID forum: Need help with plant ID

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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 16, 2017 6:02 PM CST
This is growing in my backyard, in Southeast Alabama. The photos were all taken just a few minutes ago.

I had very good luck getting a plant ID for my neighbor, now I need one for this plant in my yard.
My attention was drawn to it when I was bent over pulling weeds and heard a strange buzzing sound. I stood up and realized I was looking at what seemed to be hundreds of bees, mostly bumble bees it looked to me, but with a few honey bees also. I have pruned this on a few occasions so this is not it's natural shape. I was told when it was given to me that it was a Wisteria vine. I have had it for about 5 years now and this is the first time I remember the bees and tree (vine) acting in this manner.
Here are several of the sections that were loaded with bees.
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Entire top of plant:
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Leaves:
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Trunk, or vine?
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I am constantly pulling small plants from around it, here is one I missed growing within a few feet of the larger plant. This has not been pruned but is in it's natural state.

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Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
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ctcarol
Jul 16, 2017 6:31 PM CST
I don't have a clue what it is, but it's NOT a wisteria. I can see how the plant could be mistaken for one though
Name: stone
near Macon Georgia (USA) (Zone 8a)
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stone
Jul 16, 2017 6:47 PM CST
Still aralia...
The thread "Need help with tree ID" in Plant ID forum
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana, ca
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ctcarol
Jul 16, 2017 6:55 PM CST
Ah, I was looking at the last picture. Not the same at all as the Aralia plant.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 16, 2017 6:57 PM CST
I knew the top looked similar, but I don't see the thorns on the trunk or the spiral looking pattern like I did on my neighbor's tree. . This thing was growing straight up like a vine till I pruned it. The leaves are much paler than the plant next door also. But, I did think it was strange they were blooming at the same time. The leaves really look much different to me. I suppose a different (Species?)
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 16, 2017 7:08 PM CST
So I have been assuming the plants all around this were reproductions of the large plant, but maybe not?
I will look again tomorrow, I think there was another plant coming up right next to the large plant. Sorry if that has mislead everyone.
Name: John
Scott County, KY (Zone 5b)
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ViburnumValley
Jul 16, 2017 9:27 PM CST
The images you've shown are Aralia spinosa.

Since you haven't shown the neighbor's plant or anything else, we cannot speculate to answer any of your other suppositions.

Aralia spinosa is very well known to be a colonizing plant, producing suckering stems from all parts of its root system.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 17, 2017 6:05 AM CST
@ViburnumValley,
The neighbors plant was shown in an earlier post here and it was ID'd as Aralia.
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jul 17, 2017 6:28 AM CST
New photos taken this morning:
My plant's leaves:
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Leaves from my Neighbor's plant:
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The two sets of leaves next to each other:
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Plant growing at the base of my plant:
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other plants I have been thinking were the same but may not be, some of these are about 30 feet away.
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Edited to add: I rubbed my hand over the trunk of my plant, found one thorn, the neighbors has hundreds of small thorns on the same stems of the leaves(sorry that may not be the correct use of the word stem) and dozens of larger thorns on the trunk.
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