Daylilies forum: Two questions

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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Jul 18, 2017 11:32 PM CST
How many fans are considered a clump.
Is it 3 or more?

Does anyone know anything about some states requiring a
phytosanitary certificate and inspection of plants coming
into the state that adds approx. $75 to the shipping costs?

I saw this on the auction written by one of the seedling sellers.

Thanks
Name: Stan
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GaNinFl
Jul 19, 2017 5:17 AM CST
Hi Shirlee,

According to the AHS dictionary of terms http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_d..., a clump is three or more fans of a cultivar grouped together.

As for the phytosanitary certificate or an individuals state regs., I cant speak to that. perhaps your local extensions office could give more insight. Although, I've a good feeling you will get and answer here pretty soon. Thumbs up
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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Jul 19, 2017 9:28 AM CST
That's what I thought Stan, thanks.
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floota
Jul 19, 2017 9:35 AM CST
Hmm, I know a phyto is required when plants move between Canada and the US, or are leaving the US for any other country outside of the US, but am not aware of any individual states that require a phyto certificate. ( unless this has changed since the end of 2015.)
Name: Doris&David Bishop
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Casshigh
Jul 19, 2017 10:07 AM CST
Georgia requires a phytosanitary certificate costing $75 to ship bare root daylilies to California in addition to the nematode inspection. And, this is EACH shipment to CA. The phyto is why we do not ship to CA. Not all states have this requirement.

Doris
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Name: Ken
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CaliFlowers
Jul 19, 2017 10:08 AM CST
Some states require that the plants being shipped be inspected by an agricultural inspector, or that the garden of origin be licensed and inspected. These inspections are not free—maybe it's the seller's way of saying that they would just rather not go through the cost and hassle for an occasional plant auction. I've received several letters from the county agricultural inspectors regarding daylilies shipped from unlicensed "nurseries" and Lily Auction sellers sending plants "under the radar". They have a plant/soil-sniffing dog, and not much gets past them these days.

Someone could probably offer more information after viewing the auctions. Since the information was published on a public auction site, I don't think that it would be considered a breach of anyone's confidence if the source was shared.
Name: Nikki
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Scatterbrain
Jul 19, 2017 10:36 AM CST
Casshigh said:Georgia requires a phytosanitary certificate costing $75 to ship bare root daylilies to California in addition to the nematode inspection. And, this is EACH shipment to CA. The phyto is why we do not ship to CA. Not all states have this requirement.

Doris

What is a nematode inspection, Doris, and why is it done? Confused

Name: Ken
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CaliFlowers
Jul 19, 2017 11:30 AM CST
I'm not sure if a nematode inspection is visual (looking for signs of infestation) or microscopic (examination of roots for the nematodes themselves).

Burrowing nematodes are extremely damaging to citrus. Both California and Florida have extensive regulations in place to protect their high-value commercial crops. From what I have heard over the years, nematodes are common in areas of the country with mild winters and sandy soil, so many southern states might be suspect in the eyes of CA inspectors.

Some good general info here;
http://nationalplantboard.org/...
Name: Nikki
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Scatterbrain
Jul 19, 2017 12:43 PM CST
Thank you, Ken!
Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Jul 19, 2017 10:20 PM CST
If I remember correctly, as there was a lot of info given by the inspector, soil is collected and sent out to check for nematodes, and before sending an order to a state that requires a nematode check, the seller's state inspector has to inspect the plant/plants to be shipped. Imagine holding an order of plants waiting for an inspector to schedule their time and travel a long distance to okay an order.

Also, any plants purchased for the garden must come from
an inspected and licensed origin, and proof of this has to
be affixed to the box and purchase records kept with the inspection/licensed
stamp included for the inspector to review.
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 20, 2017 7:00 AM CST
@mistyfog
Does that mean the plants have to be dug and ready to be shipped, or does the inspector come and inspect the plants before they are actually dug? Do you have a list of states that require a nematode check?
Name: Mayo
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Mayo62
Jul 20, 2017 10:31 AM CST

Huh.. seems Europe isn't the only one being difficult... Thumbs down


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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Jul 20, 2017 11:13 AM CST
Larry, I have just begun to make a list for whatever states
require whatever diseases or pests inspections. Getting
info on the most up-to-date regulations is time consuming and
at times hard to find.
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All that was mentioned was that the inspector would come
and inspect the plants before shipping for something in particular like
nematodes. Whether that meant after digging or still in the ground,
I will have to ask. I got the impression that it meant after digging,
but I may be mistaken about that.

I didn't ask particulars about nematodes, because I decided
right there on the spot not to send plants to states that required nematode inspections, and I don't think, but don't really know if we even have such critters.
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Jul 20, 2017 11:49 AM CST
The great thing about starting a business is all the regulations you find out about that you never even considered businesses had to contend with. Oh yeah, I can see digging an order notifying the necessary department and then waiting for the inspector to arrive. He would probably look at the now dead plants and say, your plants are not healthy enough to ship, and by the way, there will be an inspection fee. He might suggest quarantining all your plants till the cause of death can be determined! Well, I might exaggerate, but I have owned a business and some of the regulations and their administration shall we say left me...slightly aggravated. Whistling
Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Jul 20, 2017 4:51 PM CST
Your first sentence, Larry. My goodness, you got that right.
I had no idea! One thing leads to another and so on and so on.

You still have a great sense of humor! Thumbs up

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