Daylilies forum: Sayonara Seedlings!

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Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Jul 19, 2017 10:25 AM CST
I know most of the people who hybridize toss tons of seedlings every year. I'm new to hybridizing so this is my first year of deciding whether or not to get rid of seedlings. I thought it would be difficult but since I'm only getting rid of 2/9 it wasn't that bad. One other is a definite keeper and the others need at least another year of evaluation.

Here are the two that are going. Sorry about the pictures but I only take them to remind myself what bloomed on which day.

Seedling #2-love the color but it blooms way down in the foliage. Too bad because it was an excellent increaser and bloomed later in the season (just started blooming last week).

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Seedling #4- early blooms with large flowers but had bud counts for two years that I could count on one hand. The buds were always blasting!


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Now for my keeper. Same cross as the other two but tall scapes, increasing bud count each year & large flowers. Good increaser also. I never plan to register my seedlings. I just want ones that do well in my area.

Seedling #5

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Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
Jul 19, 2017 10:38 AM CST
That's amazing that you get such varied flowers from the same cross. Your #5 is very nice!
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Jul 19, 2017 11:11 AM CST
There is one more seedling from this cross that is orange with a purple wash over it. But Seedling #2 has increased so much it has crowded and shaded it. No blooms this year. I'm hoping once I remove #2 it will do a lot better. Smiling
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signet
Jul 20, 2017 6:13 AM CST
I never toss a first year seedling ! They can change so much in the first 3 years it is amazing . I find maiden bloom to be very deceptive. I have had some that are gorgeous the first year and you shake your head going "wow" and by the next season something has changed and you go "oh what a dog!" but then I didnt get around to turfing it and by the third year it has established and is a lovely daylily.

Lesson learned and nothing leaves my seedling bed ( unless I dig to plant out so it can show what it can do ) for 3 years.
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signet
Jul 20, 2017 6:18 AM CST
I never toss a first year seedling ! They can change so much in the first 3 years it is amazing . I find maiden bloom to be very deceptive. I have had some that have been gorgeous the first year and I shakemy head going "wow" and do a happy dance and by the next season something had changed and I said "OMG what a dog!" but then I didnt get around to turfing it and by the third year it has established and is a lovely daylily. Improved bud count , height, size of bloom etc.

Lesson learned and now nothing leaves my seedling bed ( unless I dig to plant out so it can show what it can do ) for 3 years.
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Jul 20, 2017 7:19 AM CST
signet Seedling #2 has bloomed for three years and the scapes are still way down in the foliage. I've given up that they are ever going to get any better than what they are now. The pod parent has very short scapes so I guess it inherited the trait, although none of the others did.

Seedling #4 has bloomed for two years and both years it has had major problems with buds blasting. I almost lost the entire scape this year because we had a lot of rain this Spring. The year before 2/5 buds blasted. This year I had two blooms. Even if it tripled the number of blooming buds it would still be pathetic.

I just don't have the space for such obviously bad plants. I'm not fussy at all and if they perform halfway decently they can stay. But those two just don't measure up. I won't toss a seedling if it has one bad year though. But this year, with all the extra rain, should have been ideal. Most of my daylilies have done really well (including other seedlings) so I'm guessing this is just the best they can do.
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taylordaylily
Jul 20, 2017 8:48 AM CST
Beautiful seedlings! I don't blame you, I would toss a bud blaster too, it's a shame though , it is a beautiful daylily.
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Jul 20, 2017 9:16 AM CST
I know but I also have to consider that I want to plant more seeds and while I've only had a few bloom so far (2 new ones opened yesterday and today) I have about 30 more that should bloom next year. And hopefully another 30 after that. So seeing as I'm horribly space limited I'm going to have to start making some hard decisions next year. But I also plan to give away more named daylilies next year in a NARR since I still have plenty that don't seem to like my zone. My hope is to eventually phase out the named ones that don't perform well and populate my yard with seedlings that are unfazed by the crazy weather patterns.
(Zone 6a)
signet
Jul 20, 2017 11:02 AM CST
Ah, Elena , sounds like you know what you are doing . I too would not keep a daylily that blasted all the time. I have the opposite problem from you . I get no rain to speak of from May thru September , which is why I got into daylilies in the first place . I had lost many many perennials and was looking for a tough plant that could stand the soil and weather conditions here .

That being said , I did lose quite a few daylilies this spring to very very unusual weather in February and March and April. Some of my daylilies drowned from the huge volumes of rain we got this year especially during March . February had been very warm and daylilies started to grow . March got bitterly cold again but still we had rain and the ground was so saturated the water sat on top of the ground the longest it sat was two weeks . It froze and thawed many times that month and at the end some daylilies were heaved out of the ground, froze and died. Normally however we get little rain here .

Anyway , with limited space I do agree that sometimes a person has to make the hard decisions. The potential in the new seedlings needs to be discovered!
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Polymerous
Jul 20, 2017 3:25 PM CST
"Bud blaster"? Blinking Is that where the buds drop, instead of maturing and blooming? Confused

This is maybe the first year that I am having trouble wrt which seedlings to keep (for another look) and which to toss. Some seedlings are just obviously awful so out they go. Other seedlings have something going for them (good looks, nice edging, good bud count and branching, or some % of polymerous blooms), but none of them are registration worthy. Yet, there is something just good *enough* about them that I am reluctant to punt them. This is over 100 seedlings (not counting several I am going to HAVE to keep for another year because of the irrigation problems in one bed). I am really going to need the seedling bed space, so what to do...

(...Well, what to do, other than work myself into a bad mood... Grumbling somehow that makes it easier to toss plants.)
It's daylily season!
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Jul 20, 2017 3:36 PM CST
Yes, bud blasting is when you get excited that the bud count is finally decent only to see bud after bud shrivel up and drop off. It's understandable if the plant is stressed. But it was doing this when the weather was good.

I feel for you. I'm a sucker for not wanting to get rid of anything I grow from seed (I'll keep the ugliest, leggiest seedlings just to give them a chance). But keeping good notes over 2-3 years & deciding in winter that if x,y or z doesn't improve it must go helps. I couldn't do it any other way.

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